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Which monitor to buy?
show user profile  Phil Gornall
Okay, I got paid and I need a new monitor.

Currenly I am working with a 19" Del CRT which beats any of the flatscreen monitors in my house or at work for clarity and quality.

Marketing would have me believe that HD is actually better than CRT, but I remain unconvinced.

Is there a flat screen monitor out there that gives me enough pixel depth and picture quality to match and beat my CRT. I am looking for anything between 22" and 27"

I found this one (Acer S273HLAbmii), which claims to be good, but I thought it would be best to ask you guys, the experts. The people working in CGI to give me the right answers.

cheers.

Budget is £400


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9/17/2012 12:53:14 AM (last edit: 9/17/2012 12:53:14 AM)
show user profile  9krausec
Look at this!
http://maxforums.org/threads/display_advice_22_24_inch/0001.aspx

I got the ultrasharp Reeves suggested. It is pretty darn bright, but I am pleased..

Plus, 3 year warranty! So if something stupid happens to it (dead pixel, or something not evolving me being stupid) I get to have it fixed!

And, for work, I would recommend an IPS (or ISP... don't know, one of the two) monitor technology. Mor accurate I guess.




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9/17/2012 1:07:34 AM (last edit: 9/17/2012 1:08:11 AM)
show user profile  Phil Gornall
That is right at the top of my budget.. not widescreen etiher, I was hoping to get a nice cinematic or widescreen monitor, either that or two monitors (for the extra workspace)

Looks tidy though. I do like the dell monitors. The CRT I have has served me well.

I think I will have to do some (go to the real shops) shopping and check out the image quality.

thanks
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9/17/2012 1:46:21 AM (last edit: 9/17/2012 1:46:21 AM)
show user profile  Mr_Stabby
what do you mean its not widescreen? Anyways monitor buyers 101, panel types:

TN - 90% of screens out there, cheap and characteristically low reaction time (2ms). If you care at all about picture quality, dont buy this since it only has 6bpc color (as opposed to 8bpc which means 262 thousand instead of 16 million).

VA - characteristics include average reaction time of around 5ms, full 8bpc color and great dark tones

IPS - slowest reaction of the bunch (8ms usually), full 8bpc, excellent viewing angles

There is a bunch other proprietary panel types that dont come up as often, if you find one on a screen that your interested in post here, maybe i can comment.

The VA and IPS panels have a whole bunch of subtypes, careful of the cheap screens with IPS/VA panel and make sure they have 8 bpc because 6pbc variations do exist and do get put into screens every now and then, if not great find.

On the resolution side there are just 4 that actually get sold these days - 1920x1080, 1920x1200, 2560x1440, 2560x1600. The important part is that the latter 2 only come on ips/pva screens for now and cost around 300$ extra over equivalent sized lower resolution screen.

At high end there is also 10bpc panels to choose from - they say human eye can distinguish between around 10 million colors so whats the point of reproducing a billion, well these 10 million are spread across the entire visible color specturm, a regular 8 bit sRGB color space doesn't cover all of it(not to mention evenly given the adjusted sensitivity of the eye to some colors more than others) and 10bpc panels are ment for using an extended gamut which means that your greens will be greener, reds more red and blues even more blue. However unless you actually work with 10bit imagery this wont do you any good since either the 8 bit gamut gets stretched over the 10 bit one which makes things look weird or the screen emulates 8 bit.

Overall how a good panel LCD would compare to your CRT? The color quality still favors CRT a bit, however LCD's more than make up for it with their black neutrality and sharpness.

sorry if this came off more as a rabmble than information, cant really see the screen at this point with my eyes all squinty

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9/17/2012 3:19:11 AM (last edit: 9/17/2012 3:19:11 AM)
show user profile  reeves1984
By not widescreen I assume you mean its 16:10 and not 16:9, but that's standard isn't it?

I'd recommended the one I recommended before. !

ALSO someone the other day asked me why I (unlike most people in the office) don't have 2 monitors. I answered that I only had 1 at home too, and I'd rather have the same work flow at both. BUT what annoys me more is having a 16:10 wacom, and having 2 monitors so it stretches out!

32:10?

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9/17/2012 1:35:58 PM (last edit: 9/17/2012 1:35:58 PM)
show user profile  Phil Gornall
Thanks for the advice.

There is an awful lot to go on here, so I am going to concentrate on what you guys have already posted.

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9/17/2012 4:29:51 PM (last edit: 9/17/2012 4:29:51 PM)
show user profile  Mr_Stabby
personally i actually prefer 16:10, in fact if i had my way all screens would still be 4:3 because in some languages with mandatory line breaks 90% of the screen is just white, waste!

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9/17/2012 4:37:08 PM (last edit: 9/17/2012 4:37:08 PM)
show user profile  advance-software
widescreen all the way.

in fact, I want monitor wallpaper.

more screen = more 3d lovliness.

10 bit colour if you can afford. 8 bit suffers from visible banding artifacts.

need to run in 10 bit colour mode as stated. or better yet 10:11:11 if anyone does that.
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9/17/2012 4:56:38 PM (last edit: 9/17/2012 4:58:54 PM)
show user profile  Phil Gornall
Well its all about clarity with me, and I have narrowed it down to a few models

24" Dell U2412M Widescreen LED, IPS Panel Monitor

IIyama Prolite X2472HD-B1 LED Extreme

Asus 23" PA238Q Professional ProArt LED


I would like to have a look at the image quality on these monitors before I buy, to make a decision, but at the moment, the Dell looks like my favorite.

There appear to be hundreds of models out there that offer a plethora of features.

IPS does seem to offer the best resolution, although the response times are 8 ms, which doesn't bother me to much, as long as a still image looks sharp. The human eye has trouble seeing past 25fps anyway, so 1 ms, 8 ms it won't really be an issue.

I will update the thread when I have purchased a monitor, then I am sure I will get comments of "Nooo you should have got this one.." etc..

Thanks for the info :)
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9/17/2012 4:58:37 PM (last edit: 9/17/2012 4:58:37 PM)
show user profile  advance-software
human eye can distinguish up to 60fps. that's why games run at 60fps.

depends what you do. if you're looking at lots of static images all day I suppose that's less of a concern.
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9/17/2012 4:59:45 PM (last edit: 9/17/2012 5:01:02 PM)
show user profile  Mr_Stabby
the human eye can distinguish far beyond 25 or 60, mostly nothing useful but that doesn't mean it cant annoy. For example ghosting on a tn panel screen occours at 500 fps which is still quite noticeable in high contrast situations. High end screens employ some fancy tech to hide such artifacts quite well though so yea you dont really have to worry about 8ms these days.

and Phil - you got the right idea, when it comes to judging quality, nothing beats personally checking it out.

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9/17/2012 6:25:28 PM (last edit: 9/17/2012 6:28:11 PM)
show user profile  Phil Gornall
Well I stand corrected and learned something about that today. I actually went and googled it and found this
http://www.100fps.com/how_many_frames_can_humans_see.htm


Well now I know :)

Normally I hate shopping but this trip will be different. I think it would be a good idea to leave the wife and children at home :)
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9/18/2012 1:51:54 AM (last edit: 9/18/2012 1:51:54 AM)
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