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Wanting to Buy a new PC
show user profile  cbflex
Hey guys. I'm looking to buy new computer parts and put them together and such to get basically the best type of computer for 3Ds Max. I don't want to go overboard and spend like 4 grand on something that would last 4 years till I need another upgrade.
The computer I'm running on now is about 3 years old.

These are my current specs.
Untel Core 2 Duo E8600 3.33ghz
4gb DDR2 Ram
Windows 7 64 Bit
GeForce GTX260 812mb
My harddrives are all pretty big, all running at 7200 rpm.

I keep hearing that Intel 4 cores are faster than AMDs 6 Cores, and all other stuff. Can you guys recommend to me the best system. I'm looking to spend around 1500, no more than 2000.
I don't think I need a new LCD monitor, the one I have now is huge and works just fine.

The things I want to be able to do in Max, using Vray, are things like physics simulations, FumeFx, RealFlow, lots of hair, fields of detailed wheat (where you could like zoom all the way into 1 wheat plant and see all the displacement), huge detailed cities with traffic and hopefully pedestrians, crowd simulations... In other words, a bitching computer.

Also, I've been doing a lot of reading on textures and such, and I keep reading about how you don't always need high resolution textures, and almost never need a resolution higher than the resolution your rendering at, or something like that. So, if I'm to understand this correctly, you only need high res textures if you're going to get full screen close on an object and also stay on it for a long enough time. Yes?
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12/30/2011 1:18:19 AM (last edit: 12/30/2011 1:18:19 AM)
show user profile  Nolan
Been hearing big things about AMD's new 7 series graphics cards. Although if your modeling you probably get a workstation card (right?)
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12/30/2011 1:46:05 AM (last edit: 12/30/2011 1:46:05 AM)
show user profile  cbflex
i hear workstation graphics cards don't do that much more or aren't worth the price, that you're better off getting a regular graphics card.
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12/30/2011 4:20:41 AM (last edit: 12/30/2011 4:20:41 AM)
show user profile  Mr_Stabby
>>I keep hearing that Intel 4 cores are faster than AMDs 6 Cores

for cad work they are not, they do come very close though and have a superior upgrade path. let me spend that 2k for you

$600 Core i7-3930K
$470 PNY GTX580
$280 Asus P9X79
$180 32GB Kingston Hyperx 1600mhz
$150 ADATA s510 120GB
$100 OCZ ZT 750w
$100 Phanteks PH-TC14PE
$100 Random cheap case + cost of 100cmf worth of case fans
$1980 total

This is excluding storage drive and including a soon to be overpriced graphics card (if you give it a month or so it'll drop an estimated 100 bucks or so). The cooling will host a OCing headroom to about 4.5ghz with temps below intel spec. If you want any more you're going to have to invest in a WC loop which would come to roughly $200 for CPU only (and no contained systems like corsair H series dont count, they suck).

In comparison to your current system it will render around 5 times faster @ stock settings, handle 3x more iterations of subdivision in mudbox and give you around double viewport performance.

As for upgradeability - Intel will be refreshing s2011 offerings roughly around 1 year from now (i estimate ~30% performance increase for the same cost) and probably again in 2 years from now since its a brand new platform. 64GB ram is an option should you ever encounter the need, costs around $700 right now but will be less then half that in a year. Plenty of slots for graphics and PCIe 3.

And to reiterate once more - the quadro/firegl are nowhere near worth their price. Top of the line geforce is just as good in max's viewport as top of the line quadro and the only thing you have to show for it is 6x higher pricetag.

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12/30/2011 9:39:08 AM (last edit: 12/30/2011 9:44:09 AM)
show user profile  cbflex
thanks for all the help!
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12/30/2011 8:46:26 PM (last edit: 12/30/2011 8:46:26 PM)
show user profile  ScotlandDave
Stabby why do the self contained wc systems like the corsair h ones suck in your opinion ( which i`m planning on getting very soon ) ?

Is there any benefit to more than 1600 mhz ram on a quad channel 32gb set?

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12/30/2011 9:31:44 PM (last edit: 12/30/2011 9:31:44 PM)
show user profile  aniworld
How relevant is the graphics card for max? only i am also hoping to get a new comp in the new year but i was focusing more on processing power over a decent graphics card? but this thread has got me thinking?

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12/30/2011 10:21:18 PM (last edit: 12/30/2011 10:21:18 PM)
show user profile  digital3ds
I'd like to add a question in here if I may. I'm also about to buy a new computer, and am debating on whether or not to buy 64bg of ddr3 1333, or 32 gb of ddr3 1600.
I currently have access to a render farm, buy in a few years i prolly won't, who knows. What would you guys do?
- Mike Sawicki

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12/31/2011 1:43:07 AM (last edit: 12/31/2011 1:43:07 AM)
show user profile  LionDebt
Stabby, I'm in the market for a new pony, can you please advise? I haven't been able to get hold of the Doc, as naturally, he was my first port of call.
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12/31/2011 3:50:37 AM (last edit: 12/31/2011 3:51:15 AM)
show user profile  Mr_Stabby
best ponies are gray with white spots, dont bother with the brown ones since that type is no longer supported by the manufacturer. Also dont give your pony any more cheese than 2 pounds per day or it will degrade its reliability quickly so even though it might have been stable running @ 20mph upon purchase it suddenly wont be in a year or so time.

1333 vs 1600 - i ran some tests half a year or so ago on a 1 hour scene with ram @ various speeds from 1333 to 2000mhz, the difference from ~1600 to 2000 was 0%. 1333 to 1600 had the difference of around 10 seconds so i'd say its a bit close to bottleneck there but nothing to worry about with current gen cpus. And no anything over dual channel 1600mhz wont do jack sh*t for rendering (in MR at least)

The self contained wc loops suck because they cool less, cost more and make more noise than top end air coolers. Unless you cant fit the radiator of an air cooler in your case or something there is no logical reason for getting one because performance wise air coolers win every time. Some like to pimp their contained loops out with aftermarket rads on each side of the radiator in which case they do beat the air coolers with stock fans but do the same of the latter and they win again.

For conventional use graphics are only useful for smooth viewport experience, max's dx9 viewport engine isnt all that demanding and you can easily get by with a $150 but the better card you got the more easily you get by, obviously :p

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12/31/2011 4:13:01 AM (last edit: 12/31/2011 4:16:03 AM)
show user profile  ScotlandDave
My primary concern is noise tbh as well as keeping the overclock safe so u reckon a decent air cooler is a better option?

Apologies if i seem to be repeating myself i need clarification as my brain is full of cod :/

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12/31/2011 4:36:34 AM (last edit: 12/31/2011 4:36:34 AM)
show user profile  Mr_Stabby
yes any one of silver arrow, nh-d14 or PH-TC14PE will do the trick(and to clarify ~3 degrees better than a h100). SA has proven to be the better performer(talking difference of 1C here) on heatloads up to 300ish w while the nh-d14 wins as the wattage goes above that, the phanteks one is claimed by the most to top the both of them under any heat load but its a very new cooler so not much customer experience to draw from yet to crown it the king.

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12/31/2011 4:49:34 AM (last edit: 12/31/2011 4:49:34 AM)
show user profile  aniworld
ok cheers Stabby,
so for my new setup i was hoping on running 3 monitors?
my choices where between running 2 x nividia Geforce 210 1024mb
a single Nividia GT 440 1024mb and have the third monitor running through the motherboard?

this comp will be purley for max and adobe ect. no gaming

what do you think?

Happy New Year everyone!
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12/31/2011 11:46:09 AM (last edit: 12/31/2011 11:46:09 AM)
show user profile  Mr_Stabby
i hate multi monitor setups so no comment

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12/31/2011 12:39:56 PM (last edit: 12/31/2011 12:39:56 PM)
show user profile  advance-software
I'd run 2 off the 580 & drop in something cheap to power the third - will need a motherboard with mutliple pci-x slots for that.

alternative :

nice spec, can power up to 6 displays apparently.
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12/31/2011 12:44:22 PM (last edit: 12/31/2011 12:50:31 PM)
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