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Video production - No lighting?
show user profile  9krausec
So at the place I work we hire out a company to do video and photoshoots for us. We pay them a good amount of cash to do this.

They do not take straight product photos for us, but more human interaction with our products which we so cleverly labeled as "lifestyle images"..

I was looking through the raws of a most recent shoot and I notice one peculiar thing (to me), there was no lighting at all.. only natural light which didn't do much for the production.

Is this somewhat standard in the field of video/photo? To just rely off of the raw data and "light" the scene in post? Like, what the fuck? If we pay these people 8-12k (not a big chunk of money, but enough) to do a 2 day video/photo shoot of our product, wouldn't it just be a given that they'd be using some sort of lighting?

I don't know why, but this really pisses me off. Even if you want the scene to look natural, I still would expect reflectors and some amount of lighting to be used to exaggerate things just a little bit... Maybe I'm off on this one, but it seems weird to me.

edit: WOOPS 30-60k per shoot we are paying. I suppose I guessed a little low.

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2/29/2016 8:46:35 PM (last edit: 2/29/2016 9:18:48 PM)
show user profile  donvella
Did you provide them examples in your brief of what you want the outcome to look like? Did you give them a lighting setup? Camera positions? Angles? Communication is key in this field, dont expect people to read your mind - regardless of payment

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2/29/2016 9:37:21 PM (last edit: 2/29/2016 9:37:21 PM)
show user profile  chillywilson
No no no!

Any product photo job over 2k a day should have strobs, reflectors, grids, wands and least a full frame camera if not a medium formate like a H5D.

It should take at least 2 hours to set up the composition and lights, some people that have non travel studios might be able to do it quicker.

The files they should have sent you should be thumbs not Raw's, you should hire a photog for their look so let them give you a soft touch up for picking purposes.

For products I usually say 5 looks and deliver 10 soft look so people can pick their 5 that they want to go into full retouching.

Magazines sometimes ask for Raws because they have touchup artists that do the whole mag and most photogs are ok with that, some aren't .

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2/29/2016 9:57:49 PM (last edit: 2/29/2016 9:57:49 PM)
show user profile  9krausec
I wasn't in charge of the shoot. Had no ability to run things or communicate to the third party we hired. Not my job, not my responsibility.

It just blew my mind that this happened is all.

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2/29/2016 10:08:49 PM (last edit: 2/29/2016 10:08:49 PM)
show user profile  chillywilson
Sounds like someone is good friends with the boss.

If your having to edit them, I would make stink no man should have to post light a scene after paying for it.
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2/29/2016 10:11:12 PM (last edit: 2/29/2016 10:11:12 PM)
show user profile  donvella
"not my job, not my responsibility", lol, ok then.

Sometimes you need to put a foot forward, make it your responsibility, then you can make changes in your workplace to make your life easier. Things dont come to those who wait. Just sayin'

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2/29/2016 10:57:20 PM (last edit: 2/29/2016 10:57:20 PM)
show user profile  9krausec
I agree donvella, but my workplace consists of 350 people with at least 12 departments (if not more). I'm apart of the industrial design department and have no connection to the design and media side (don't really know how that one works so don't ask me why).

I didn't even know this photoshoot happened until after the matter. Saw the raws, got sort of ornery about it and went and asked a design manager why there were no light rigs.

So.. I actually did put a foot forward to go cross-departmental and ask about something that is completely none of my business, haha.

Just seemed a bit weird so I wanted to ask here considering I'm not an A/V guy per-say. I just sit in my corner and eat bagels.

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2/29/2016 11:07:36 PM (last edit: 2/29/2016 11:07:36 PM)
show user profile  LionDebt
lol, Clayton got 'ornery' and went 'cross-departmental'.

We all know what this is really about... Show us on the doll, Mr Krause, where the defendant touched you.

Edit: On a more serious note, I have a smartphone, and my hands shake from alcohol abuse. I'll do your next photo-shoot for the lean price of just $29,000. If you're really lucky I'll make a camp fire, bitches love ambient camp fire lighting. Anyways, the gist of what I'm getting to is, I think a similar conversation to this paragraph happened. And someone, somewhere went "Gee Bob, I don't know. But you're the professional, so I guess you're right." And then Bob built a car out of dollar bills and drove all the way to hahaha-town on the piss-take free way.
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2/29/2016 11:32:12 PM (last edit: 2/29/2016 11:36:23 PM)
show user profile  9krausec
Bitches do love camp fires. Need to build more of those this summer.

I was just checking here. I figured it was wrong, but at the end of the day I haven't worked with video all that much before so I didn't know if this was something new and hip all the kids were doing.

I like to come here to get checked. See if my logic is off or if I'm missing something. Lay off the whiskey LD.

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2/29/2016 11:40:18 PM (last edit: 2/29/2016 11:40:18 PM)
show user profile  LionDebt

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2/29/2016 11:42:18 PM (last edit: 2/29/2016 11:42:18 PM)
show user profile  donvella
lol, sounds about right Lion.

350 people! wow, ok I see, it can get a bit political. I can empathize with a good rant. Im shocked that they could provide you with such crap, I mean lighting should be their number 1 focus, it seems you got the short end of that stick. Im kind of glad my boss is a photographer and we have our own studio, I just take what I like to get shot all the time, thanks for the info - I wont be taking my situation for granted now :)

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3/1/2016 12:09:17 AM (last edit: 3/1/2016 12:09:17 AM)
show user profile  9krausec
huh... Well since I questioned it my boss asked for my real estate photography to send to his boss. To help make the argument that we may not be spending our money in the most efficient manner and if we can pull this shit off in-house (under a new department, led by yours truly), we could have complete control of what we do and the money we save in just video productions alone would afford us departmental running expenses (equipment and a salary for someone else).

Interesting turn of events. Wasn't expecting that to happen. :)

I'm not A/V guy, but I'm confident that if we were to hire someone competent and were given the appropriate equipment (DSLR video most likely), we could totally be able to pull something decent off.

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3/1/2016 6:56:46 PM (last edit: 3/1/2016 6:56:46 PM)
show user profile  LionDebt
Does it matter if I have shaky-whiskey hands?
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3/1/2016 7:11:51 PM (last edit: 3/1/2016 7:11:51 PM)
show user profile  chillywilson
Fantastic, be careful if your trying to hire a video/photo guy.
You'll usually find that most people can do one or the other top notch and slack on the other.

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3/1/2016 7:13:11 PM (last edit: 3/1/2016 7:13:11 PM)
show user profile  9krausec
^Thanks for the input.

If they were thinking about going the route of making a department for this sort of media work and if they would choose to appoint me at the head of it... I would most likely need to hire another CG Generalist with background in video.

We are skimping pretty heavily on CG as it is (I'm doing the work of two people at least right now) and can't afford to have someone so specialized that all they do is video. Doesn't pay to read too much into it though considering it's all wishy-washy, up in the air bullshit right now.

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3/1/2016 7:27:30 PM (last edit: 3/1/2016 7:27:30 PM)
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