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show user profile  9krausec
So I need to shoot a short for class and I wanted to create some effects for a certain scene.

base idea (I know it's crude, but it should show the idea).. How would I go about doing this in AE? What would this be called?

Thanks everyone!






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12/8/2011 3:38:21 PM (last edit: 12/8/2011 3:38:21 PM)
show user profile  9krausec
No one? I'll try and explain better...

a static frame, then an object blocks another object that is behind it, after the object being blocked again is visible, it is shown closer than before it was blocked..

This is used in horror films (from what I've scene).. Very interested in learning what this technique is called, and a point in the right direction in how to recreate it using After Effects?

Hope that explains things a tad better.. Thanks!

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12/9/2011 9:41:23 PM (last edit: 12/9/2011 9:41:23 PM)
show user profile  Pil
Just make 3 different shots of of the blocked object being at 3 different distances.
Then you make a simple fade between the 3 shots aligning it perfectly with the blocking object.

Unless I dont understand your problem this is easily solved and dont really need After Effects for it.
Just use whatever video editing app you use....

If Im not mistaken the effect is called Kill Bill Ninja Cat:

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12/9/2011 9:48:05 PM (last edit: 12/9/2011 9:50:16 PM)
show user profile  Garp
Do you mean like the Vertigo thing: truck one way, zoom the other? Except that the object with fixed scale (your black thing) is moving.
If so I don't think you can do it in AE as the parallax needs to change.

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12/9/2011 9:51:23 PM (last edit: 12/9/2011 9:52:55 PM)
show user profile  LionDebt
damn that scene in Le Haine was brilliant :)

What has French cinema given us since then eh? Only 99 Francs comes to mind :p
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12/9/2011 9:59:37 PM (last edit: 12/9/2011 9:59:37 PM)
show user profile  Garp
Les Triplettes de Belleville.

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12/9/2011 10:04:40 PM (last edit: 12/9/2011 10:04:40 PM)
show user profile  9krausec
@Pil- Well, yeah, sort of..

The scene is a girl on a swing. She is swinging and when she comes up she blocks the view of a creepy guy behind her.. As she goes back down, the creepy guy gets closer, etc...

So in a sense, it's almost like having two layers in AE.. The front layer is the girl on the swing, and the back layer is of the guy changing positions...

A tripod will be used, so we could film the girl swinging first off, and then film the guy in 3 different locations on the Z-axis... Then I figured if there was a way to splice the two layers together seamlessly to give the impression that they are one scene sort of..

@Garp- I think I know what you are talking about... Is it when the camera moves physically closer to the subject as the zooming out occurs which makes the main object stay in place as the background and the scene moves away from the object? If that is the case, then no, I'm not looking to do that. :) Awesome shot technique by the way..

ALSO, on a side note, I am going to be creating the title screen for this project too and was going to motion track some text on the ground (title, producers, music by.. .The intro credits pretty much)..

Now I don't have too much experience with motion tracking work (this is going to be my first go at it), so I was wondering what settings on the DSLR camera would work best for a shot like this..

Would I want to have a high f-stop to make sure everything is in focus and then add the DOF effect in post where needed (to make sure everything gets motion tracked right)?

Do I want a higher shutter speed? Does it matter? (usually, I do a shutter speed double the fps I am shooting at.. so.. 30fps = shutter speed of 1/60.. 60 fps would be 1/120 and so forth)?

I am going to set the ISO to whatever looks the best (using increments of 160) and I will be white balancing with the Kelvin scale, not a grey/white card.

The title/intro credits will be shot at 720p at 60fps (for consistency sake because that's what the rest of the short will be shot at).

Any pointers on the above mentioned or for filming with a DSLR in general? We are going to start shooting this tomorrow, and I don't want to take a bunch of footage to post that I am going to have a hard time working with.. :)

Thank you for the replies and all the help.. As usual I appreciate the members here helping me out.

Another thing I should mention, is I will be slowing down the video by about 30% for the whole film (or most of it with small variations in percent throughout). To do this I am going to be using Twixtor (awesome program btw) with AE, hence the 720p at 60fps..

What would be the optimal settings on the camera to slow stuff down in post with Twixter? What should the shutter speed be at, would my original method of doubling the shutter speed in relation to the fps still work or would I want to lower or heighten it?

Cheers and Beers, I am going to be way less stressed once this finals project is done.. Then over winter break I am excited to 3ds Max every day and get my damn website up and running.. (oh yeah, I got that domain, awesome)!

I'll be sure to post the final product up on the forum (website and short film).

we are going for this look for inspiration (not copying it scene by scene by any manor, but it's right up our ally as to what we are looking for)-

Hope everyone is doing well..


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12/9/2011 11:31:12 PM (last edit: 12/9/2011 11:31:12 PM)
show user profile  Pil
That is pretty much what I suggested.

But I would do it the simple way and simply shot the girl and the guy in the same take.

Place the guy where he should be standing still.
Let the girl swing a few times in front.

Change position of the guy and shot again with the girl swinging....
Redo for all the positions.

Since you are using a tripod and the girl swinging is doing the same basic movement over and over again is would be easy to fade the two shots together.

Should be fairly easy.

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12/10/2011 12:07:45 PM (last edit: 12/10/2011 12:07:45 PM)
show user profile  mike_renouf
Not sure what the cinematic technique that you're trying to create is called, but the other one that was referred to is the "dolly zoom" incase anyone is interested:

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12/10/2011 1:46:01 PM (last edit: 12/10/2011 1:46:01 PM)
show user profile  mike_renouf
Not sure what the cinematic technique that you're trying to create is called, but the other one that was referred to is the "dolly zoom" incase anyone is interested:

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12/10/2011 1:46:18 PM (last edit: 12/10/2011 1:46:18 PM)
show user profile  9krausec
@Pil, was looking to have this be one continuous shot, but I'll just put some fade/cuts in like you suggested. (Don't have much time to do anything else at the moment).

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12/10/2011 4:01:51 PM (last edit: 12/10/2011 4:01:51 PM)
show user profile  Pil
If you do it in one continoud shot you have to practice it just like the kill bill ninja cat shot I posted.

Using a monitor with your camera you could tell the creepy guy when he is blocked and should move.
A few test runs and it should be possible....


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12/10/2011 4:11:35 PM (last edit: 12/10/2011 4:11:35 PM)
show user profile  9krausec
Here is a speedy edit of some of the footage I got today... Tell me what you think!

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12/11/2011 1:53:42 AM (last edit: 12/11/2011 1:53:42 AM)
show user profile  nemac
Creepy lol!

Pretty good though.

How about after the first shot [of him obviously looking at something], doing a shot from behind his shoulder of the girl swinging in the distance so the viewer sees what he sees?

Once you've established that the girl is swinging, you could cut to a shot closer to her, where her body (not showing face) covers up as much screen as possible, for as long as possible. This way we already know he's coming toward her, and the focus can be solely on him advancing.

I would film two shots from this setup, one of just him walking to the swing (in a continuous motion), and one of just her swinging, then in AE, have the shot of him walking behind the shot of her swinging, and use masks on the shot of her to reveal him advancing. I think what is 'scary' about these shots is that the villain covers an impossible distance to surprise the viewer, so while she swings past I would move the shot of him to a later frame to do that. I feel at the moment the black fades between the shots of him nearing are annoying, and it isn't fluid which is why I would try a continuous walking shot.

edit: Also you might want the shot I am describing to have that hand-held look which would add an element of uneasiness. You could do that in post but you have to allow for this by shooting the footage a little wider so that you can scale it up in AE and wiggle it around a bit without exposing the edge of the shot.

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12/11/2011 1:32:20 PM (last edit: 12/11/2011 1:40:42 PM)
show user profile  9krausec
glade you liked it nemac!

Yeah, we where going to do a behind the shoulder, but behind him was a bit inaccessible due to a fairly large bush so we ended up skipping that one..

We have more footage I could of used (medium close up, long shot of the girl swinging), but I just sort of edited this together in 45 min..

NEMAC! That is exactly what I think I wanted to do (I just didn't know how to or what to google).

thanks for the kind words, going to shoot more today. Final short should be done on monday.

sort of screwed the twixtor up too.. Forgot to shoot at a SUPER high shutter speed.. The girl swinging I wanted to slow down more so (did slow her down some as she came by the camera, then sped back up to 30fps as she went away.. it was shot with 60fps so over all it was slower being ran at 30 fps).

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12/11/2011 5:57:24 PM (last edit: 12/11/2011 5:57:24 PM)
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