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Total computer death....
show user profile  LionDebt
Last night, was watching some shite on TED and both monitors went glitchy, static and distorted. Sound cut out and I was left with nothing to do but panic, and hit the off button.

First reboot brought up the BIOS so I set everything to default and saved changes & rebooted. I noticed the CPU temp was pretty high so not sure if that probably caused it...

Second reboot... took me into a Shell environment. Never having seen or been in one before I panicked. It said something about map directory not found. And I couldn't get any of the commands to work (not knowing parameters to use).

I found out I could get into the BIOS from the Shell, so I tried seeing what my boot devices/priorities were. But everything checked out.

Fearing the worst. I went to bed.

And so naturally, this morning. I turn my PC on and it asks if I want Windows Normal or Windows Safe Mode and everything is working as expected.

Can anyone shed some light on this? I'm grateful. But also worried.

Thought it could be any number of hardware failures; hard-drive, CPU, memory death, etc etc - but only for it to 'magically' fix itself over the course of 8 hours (of being switched off...) Was it a heating issue? Why didn't it turn itself off before the heat got so bad? Or was the glitchy monitor off, it's way of doing that?

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3/24/2015 1:34:52 PM (last edit: 3/24/2015 1:36:55 PM)
show user profile  FX
Treat it like you were out on the town , got drunk and pulled a minger......let the memory fade...unless she phones you. :)

Sounds like an indicator something is failing but not quite dead yet, I'd start with memory, shell environment sounds weird.

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3/24/2015 2:50:47 PM (last edit: 3/24/2015 2:50:47 PM)
show user profile  ijzerman
Install hwinfo and check if you see something strange, high temperatures, fans spinning to fast
Also, maybe check if you can see your diskstate, badly fragmented or dead sectors or anything.
Have you updated drivers or software lately?

Its promising you can still get in the bios. Maybe a dying psu?

Pushing buttons since "86
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3/24/2015 3:50:02 PM (last edit: 3/24/2015 3:50:47 PM)
show user profile  Joey Parker Jr.
I vote psu. I had similar problems. Everything crashed. I got blue screen saying bad ram. Replaced ram.
Everything works for a few days.
Then blink. Dead as death.
New psu, happy happy.
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3/25/2015 1:29:31 AM (last edit: 3/25/2015 1:29:31 AM)
show user profile  LionDebt
Dang. Okay, PSU is getting most votes :)

I've been backing up all my shit - from the past two years - today. PC worked fine though, no death-scares...

Should still be under warranty if it is faulty - I bought it same time I upgraded my Mobo and GFX cards.

Any brand reccomendations for PSUs?
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3/25/2015 1:33:53 AM (last edit: 3/25/2015 1:33:53 AM)
show user profile  Mr_Stabby
Is it a gigabyte motherboard by chance? Those can pull shit like this for no reason every now and then.

Other than that - high cpu temp in bios is normal since while in bios all the load optimizations are disabled and cpu works as if it were under 100% load. Unless it was abnormally high.. like 70C+ in which case I'd check the cooling.

Map directory not found means it couldn't locate a drive with a viable boot partition. Could be for several reasons, the most common is bios reset - if it changed the drive mode from say AHCI to SATA then you'd get that. Other common reasons are non functional port (motherboard fault) or non functional SSD (the older OCZ ones are known for blacking out and resuming work later)

From the original incident, i doubt its a heat issue, unless your cpu is 10+ years old it would shut down, unless its 5+ years old you cant even disable the shutdown manually anymore. GPU's can still overheat with a smile on their face but streaming video is hardly enough to do that anyways.

There are a few freak phenomenas that can trigger that without anything being wrong in the long run:
1) unstable power in the house, unexpected temporary voltage drop or ld transformer farting weird frequencies can drop the pc voltage enough to make any chip in it unstable and the result would be what you experienced
2) mildly unstable ram/gpu/cpu, no such thing as 100% stable, stock clocks on a cpu can be 99.99999% stable but there is still that 0.00001% chance... nothing anyone can do about that.
3) Cosmic particles! Aliens. No not really aliens but energized particles from space are an actual thing. So much of a thing that every single piece of memory produced today has built in protection against it. Statistically, for every 1GB of ram, 1 bit will flip due to getting hit by a cosmic particle every other week. And thats old statistics, the smaller the fabrication process, the more likely they will flip when getting hit. On computer ram, there is an extra 1 bit per every block to fix that. When 2 bits flip though, you're out of luck! Crash. ECC ram used on servers can fix 2 bits.

If I had to guess, it was one of those, if not theres not enough information to blame any one component.

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3/25/2015 2:14:05 AM (last edit: 3/25/2015 2:17:26 AM)
show user profile  LionDebt

Stabby, thanks. Your knowledge is over 9000.

Funnily enough there was a power outage in the area a couple days ago but it affected mostly local industry units not residential properties, they did mention some houses were affected...

Mobo is the MSI z68-g43. Good to know GigaByte are terribad as I almost bought one of them instead.

Any good software tools for displaying temperatures and fanspeeds?
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3/25/2015 12:44:01 PM (last edit: 3/25/2015 12:45:01 PM)
show user profile  Dave
"1) unstable power in the house"

I have this, or so I've concluded. If I don't unplug my PC from the mains every night it will eventually enter some strange start-up loop when I turn it on again the next day, where it just powers itself off and on over and over again. Nearly crapped myself the first time it happened.

Unplugging, waiting, and re-plugging fixes it. But just removing the power every night prevents it entirely.

Pretty annoying.

"I flew over Egypt once"

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3/25/2015 2:52:52 PM (last edit: 3/25/2015 2:52:52 PM)
show user profile  LionDebt
Surge protection is a thing? Well, I know it is a thing, but that's about as far as I can go with this thread of an idea.

@Dave: Where you at? I've got a few sparky friends dotted about the country...
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3/25/2015 3:23:56 PM (last edit: 3/25/2015 3:23:56 PM)
show user profile  9krausec
I would also boot up with coretemp installed and run a CPU stress test (under more downloads there is a coretemp installer that does not have bloatware on it.. the standard installer has a lot of bloatware with it so be careful when clicking "next" so you don't get crap on your PC).

I blew out an i7 Sandybridge a few years back and was taken for a loop because apparently I only burnt out part of it... It would turn on, run, do basic stuff, but as soon as I put it under and substantial stress load the whole thing would BSOD on me.

So if you can't figure out what's causing it with initial troubleshooting, there might be a small chance the the CPU is damaged, but still operating... I didn't know something like that was possible and spent a lot of time troubleshooting other components before I found out that the CPU was being a turdface.

- Portfolio-

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3/25/2015 3:33:05 PM (last edit: 3/25/2015 3:33:05 PM)
show user profile  Dave
I used to have this sweet ass "master / slave" surge protector thing. PC into master, monitors and speakers into the slave ports, so when I shut down the PC, everything else would turn off, and when I turn on the PC, everything else turns on! It was amazing, until it completely fucked up and I could either only turn on the PC and nothing else, or nothing at all.

At the moment, everything runs off of those extra power socket things (do they have names!?). It's surge protected with indication lights to notify me if it's fucked or not.

As for location, North London, evidently a shitty cheap part of North London though.

"I flew over Egypt once"

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3/25/2015 3:34:34 PM (last edit: 3/25/2015 3:34:34 PM)
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