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Thinking about quitting my job
show user profile  9krausec
So, I am a full time student with a part time job. My job is very nice, it involves me, sitting at a desk, managing 3 computer labs in one building...

(fixing printer jams restarting computers, etc...)

However, with all the classes I'm taking, and on top of the 20 hours a week I am working, I have very little time for CG work..

So, I was thinking about leaving the job at the end of this semester, and put that 18-20 hours a week extra into working on 3ds Max/Vray and learning motion tracking..

I can live off of extra loan money (probably not the smartest idea, but it can be done)...

So, do you think it would be smart giving up a nice job ($8/hour) in order to dedicate more time to what I really want to do for an occupation, freelance 3d work?

- Portfolio-

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9/20/2011 2:16:03 AM (last edit: 9/20/2011 2:16:03 AM)
show user profile  chillywilson
No find another job that can allow you to do both. I once was a 1st shift security guard and a lame plant but i was able to work on school and make money. If you live off of loans it will bit you in the ass, either if you get into an accident or some other emergency. Not to mention all the extra cost will tap you out on the pay back with the extra student loan fee and interest. If you were in Harvard law yeah sure do it but not a CG job.
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9/20/2011 2:39:49 AM (last edit: 9/20/2011 2:39:49 AM)
show user profile  9krausec
Hmm.. So would you have any suggestions as a job that a rookie CG enthusiast could do to both hone skills and get paid? If I could do 3d work for 8 dollars an hour I would do that instead of working a job that doesn't have anything to do with CG....

I also bust ass during the summer as a server and walk away with about 4k extra every summer, so that helps with the off season when school is going on..

I like your mindset chillywilson, I just don't know who would take me or what job I should be looking for in the backwoods of Wisconsin.

Most people here barely know what a website is, let alone what CG is or how to apply it.

- Portfolio-

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9/20/2011 2:53:56 AM (last edit: 9/20/2011 2:53:56 AM)
show user profile  toldaddy
"I can live off of extra loan money (probably not the smartest idea, but it can be done)..."

IMHO that's about the worse thing you can do - paying interest on living expenses is not cool. Have you looked around for intern opportunities for game/film? Small time freelance gigs?

"I just don't know who would take me or what job I should be looking for in the backwoods of Wisconsin."
GTFO of wisconsin......:

Avoid as much debt as you possibly can. You'll thank yourself when you're 30 with a full paycheck that is 100% yours. <-- my two cents.

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9/20/2011 2:59:27 AM (last edit: 9/20/2011 3:01:20 AM)
show user profile  9krausec
Yeah... I would love to get out of Wisconsin, but I am strapped here for at least 2 more years because of college. Out of state tuition pretty much doubles what I have to pay...

Even if I were to find an internship in Wisconsin (I actually have looked, and found a few studios in our capital), I would need to leave my current area for that internship, but I need to be here to go to school (lame sauce, I hate snow)...

I will stick with my job, it helps, gives me an extra $200 dollars or something like that every 2 weeks.. Part of me just wants to say f*ck it, go hard with this CG stuff (like super hard), get my portfolio up to key, and then try and sell myself on the market as best as possible..

If I could break into the industry just a little bit as a freelancer (we are talking only about 2 jobs a year, haha), I would already make more than I do at my current job whilst building my portfolio..

But, that is the stupid, risky, hopeful and irresponsible self thinking...

edit: I'm just thinking in the long run... Which is going to help me out more? working 18 hours a week @ 8 dollars an hour to help cushion the blow of my loans, or working 18 extra hours a week on my CG stuff, which, hopefully will involve an end game of me making at least 20 dollars an hour starting..

- Portfolio-

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9/20/2011 3:10:25 AM (last edit: 9/20/2011 3:14:06 AM)
show user profile  chillywilson
where are you now.

Perhaps not coming home might be a better involvement and finding room mates for an apt. and inter position with a extra summer work.
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9/20/2011 3:35:25 AM (last edit: 9/20/2011 3:35:25 AM)
show user profile  LionDebt
My job is very nice, it involves me, sitting at a desk

1. Buy a book to read related to something in 3D or
2. Buy a sketchbook and draw reference images (profile/front/top)
3. Take this things with you when you go to work.
4. ?????
5. Profit

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9/20/2011 3:37:15 AM (last edit: 9/20/2011 3:37:15 AM)
show user profile  toldaddy
"but I am strapped here for at least 2 more years because of college."
I get that. I'm sure if a company offered to assist in your education that might change your mind. Not saying that's how it is, but it's within the realm of possibility. You can always say no. Can't say yes though unless you apply. *shrug*

Doesn't hurt anything, if it worked out you'll likely get paid more, get industry experience, and (*_fill_in_the_blank_*)

Residency takes a year prior to enrollment in cali (fyi). Not the end of the world.

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9/20/2011 4:01:42 AM (last edit: 9/20/2011 4:01:42 AM)
show user profile  advance-software
going to go against the flow here.

your studies are important. if you can get a loan (with reasonable terms), do that.

obv. run up as little debt as possible as you will have to pay it back some time.

pay back when you're earning.

we have a new system in the uk where students only have to pay back tuition costs when they've graduated & are earning enough. not sure how it works over there.

I did a bit of part time work in my first year at uni but jacked it in as it was getting in the way of studying. I worked over the holidays & summer to make some extra cash.

fortunately I was at uni when times were easier & tuition was paid by the state. shame it's come to this. it's hard enough to learn new skills without bs like this getting in the way.

that said - the job sounds fairly sweet & low stress & it works a bit differently in the states so maybe stick with it.

> My job is very nice

that is the most important part of what you wrote. If you said the job sucks and I hate it, that would be different.

doubt this helped much.
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9/20/2011 9:31:25 AM (last edit: 9/20/2011 9:33:42 AM)
show user profile  reeves1984
I like LionDebt's plan! Is that possible?

Although you like it? If it's worrying you, that's not good so hopefully you can work something out. In the end if you really go for it with the cg/3d it should pay off!

Simon Reeves - VFX Artist & Blog
twitter <-- I work here

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9/20/2011 10:56:05 AM (last edit: 9/20/2011 10:56:05 AM)
show user profile  9krausec
Thanks for the input guys! The way my loans are working-

Take out what you need as a fulltime student, interest and payments start 9 months after you graduate.

So I don't need to worry about paying any loans back now, but i am still trying to be mindful.

By the end of my schooling (of 4-5 years), I will owe (overshoot) of about 14-16k (that's if I were to take loans out to pay for living costs too). If I were to work my arse off with this job, pick up some more shifts, I probably will be looking at owing around 4 grand less.

So, taking that into consideration, we are taking about a difference of 4 thousand dollars to allow me to work with CG like it is my job. Considering a 12 week program is around 15k to attend at a studio/academy, I am on the fence about it.

In the long wrong, 4k to spend extra over 1.8 years to be able to add 18 hours a week extra to my work (per week) and by chance bypass a 15k, 12 week program by going straight self-taught (which I know I can because I am pretty disciplined, got to get my ass working with maya and mudbox though soon) plus increasing the speed at which I am building up a portfolio and demo reel to get a job by about 60-70%, I still think it might be worthwhile..

Today I stopped by the student TV station and asked if they were looking for anyone in the 3d realm to do 3d logos, intros, diagrams or anything 3d related.. they said although it sounded interesting (I would put money down that I am one of the only 3ds max users on campus with my level of experience... Not trying to toot my own horn because I consider it pretty sad because I still consider myself a rookie) they do not have it in their budget (even at 8-10 dollars an hour), for a part time position, but I gave him my contact info in case he needed any contract based freelance work done.

I also emailed a professor in the community asking if he had heard of any opportunities in what I am searching for.

So, I’ll see if I can hunt down any jobs, but I am doubtful. Hell, I would hire a CG artist at my skill level for $8/hour. I think that would be a damn good deal.

at LionDebt- Yeah, I can't really do any in-depth work at work on my personal work because I do get people coming up to me to ask me stupid questions about macs pretty regularly.. So I could, but I wouldn't be able to get to in-depth into anything. But other than that I totally agree with you. I am able to watch a tutorial or two during work and can cope with the interruptions alright, but with any drawing or projects, I get sucked in and loose my place once I get pulled away from them.

On a side note, does anyone have any tutorials on how to shoot HDRI reflections? I stopped by a department store today looking for a spherical chrome lawn ball, but I guess they are all out of season.. Damnit!

Edit: @AS- that's what I was sort of thinking. Time is money. I am getting payed 8/hour right now because of where I am at in life.. So right now, I almost think that my time would be better spent not making 8/hour, but teaching myself even more about what I want my future occupation to be.. So then when I get a in somewhere (which I will damn well eventually get!! Hopefully, haha), I can start worrying about paying the loans off when I make +20 dollars an hour... Just seems more sensical, but I have a track record of making stupid decisions so I wanted to cross reference what you guys thought.

- Portfolio-

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9/20/2011 7:27:39 PM (last edit: 9/20/2011 7:35:33 PM)
show user profile  advance-software
I say jack the job & work flat out hardcore on your subject - if you think you've got what it takes to make it.

as for money on the side - turbosquid ?

there's nothing wrong with a little debt as long as you keep it under control. sounds like you have the right mindset to do that.

worst case you go to jack the job, they might offer you a pay raise to stay on :)
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9/20/2011 7:34:51 PM (last edit: 9/20/2011 7:37:12 PM)
show user profile  9krausec
AS- I was super thinking about getting into turbosquid.. I wouldn't mind making various rando objects and selling them! So perhaps that is the unoffical job I am looking for to not only get better at 3d, but make some money at it as well...

- Portfolio-

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9/20/2011 7:36:55 PM (last edit: 9/20/2011 7:36:55 PM)
show user profile  digital3ds
Sounds like you don't do much at your job... why not work on cgi there?
- Mike Sawicki

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9/20/2011 7:49:22 PM (last edit: 9/20/2011 7:49:22 PM)
show user profile  S. Silard
I like Toldaddy's suggestion :) .

Congrats, you found my signature.

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9/20/2011 8:10:24 PM (last edit: 9/20/2011 8:10:24 PM)
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