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Used software 'can be sold' in Europe ... apparently.
show user profile  advance-software
Wonder what Autodesk will make of this.

http://curia.europa.eu/jcms/upload/docs/application/pdf/2012-07/cp120094en.pdf

will take some time to figure out what this means.
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7/3/2012 5:08:37 PM (last edit: 7/3/2012 5:20:34 PM)
show user profile  Nik Clark
And Steam purchases?

I don't think Autodesk will comply. They sent me a letter from their lawyers threatening court action simply for me asking why I can't buy Max in America and use it here, as there was a £1k difference in the price (which they justified by "the customer accepts this"). This was some time ago though.



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7/3/2012 5:24:39 PM (last edit: 7/3/2012 5:33:30 PM)
show user profile  advance-software
The core ruling can be found at the end of page 1 :

Where the copyright holder makes available to his customer a copy – tangible or intangible
– and at the same time concludes, in return for payment of a fee, a licence agreement
granting the customer the right to use that copy for an unlimited period, that rightholder
sells the copy to the customer and thus exhausts his exclusive distribution right. Such a
transaction involves a transfer of the right of ownership of the copy.

Not up to them. If you purchase it legally, they can't sue you for illegally using their software.
They might however decide not to cooperate over issuing authorization codes to the new owner.

The workaround for software developers is to sell time limited licenses.

E.g. One year expiring license. When it's over it's over. I.e. you're renting use of the software.

That makes sense for customers too.
No point paying for a license to use a software package forever when we all know it'll get out of date & you'll want to move to something better.
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7/3/2012 5:31:18 PM (last edit: 7/3/2012 5:37:07 PM)
show user profile  Nik Clark
That is the model Autodesk are proposing anyway. I guess this will speed it up.





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7/3/2012 5:36:45 PM (last edit: 7/3/2012 5:36:45 PM)
show user profile  advance-software
ok but what's out there fits the court's ruling.

Anyone in Europe got a commercial max9 license they want to sell ?
(can't purchase if you've upgraded it to somethiing else)

For sale: one 3dsmax 6 commercial license with box, disks, etc.

:)
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7/3/2012 5:40:04 PM (last edit: 7/3/2012 5:44:06 PM)
show user profile  Dave
I haven't read the .pdf, and to be honest I've really only skim read the short words in this thread... BUT... I would happily buy a second hand copy of the last generation Max version for cheap if/when the time calls for it (ie, I lose my job and therefore my license)

"I flew over Egypt once"

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7/3/2012 5:44:47 PM (last edit: 7/3/2012 5:44:47 PM)
show user profile  Black Mariah
How the hell did it come to software users being so idiotic? How did the majority come to accept the concept of software "licensing"? Oh, it's yours for the next X months but then you have to upgrade! Fuck that, fuck you. You EARN my dollars by producing a good product that I find useful. If in the future your product has sufficiently evolved to the point that I feel it's worthy, I'll upgrade at that time. I'm NOT paying for a yearly subscription. I will NOT touch software with an expiration date. If I want to sell my legally purchased copy of the software I will and fuck you if you don't like it. I'm pretty certain Ford doesn't like people buying used cars, but I don't see them running around sucking cocks to get the secondhand market banned. No, they create incentives on the purchase of a new auto. They give us a reason to want a new car rather than make us jump through fucking hoops and treat us like we're fucking criminals the way software companies do.

I'm sick of CD keys and authorization codes and all this shit. It doesn't goddamn work. If I did I never would have got into CG in the first place. If you can create it, someone else can uncreate it. How you deal with that is what determines where my dollars go and they will not go to any company that assumes guilt on my part.

I think it was Socrates who said... "I drank what?"

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7/3/2012 5:58:22 PM (last edit: 7/3/2012 5:58:22 PM)
show user profile  advance-software
you won't cause this doesn't apply to the states so they'll sue your ass.

the law is what it is whether you like it or not.

if I want to sell you a license you use *my* software for a limited period of time, I will.

if you're not happy about that, go someplace else.
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7/3/2012 6:00:05 PM (last edit: 7/3/2012 6:02:00 PM)
show user profile  Nik Clark
BM, in a couple of years, software will require a constant internet connection to work, and parts of it won't even be installed locally. You will simply "rent" access to the software. This is what Autodesk have planned, anyway.




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7/3/2012 6:00:47 PM (last edit: 7/3/2012 6:00:47 PM)
show user profile  Black Mariah
Nik: They go to that, I'm out. Forever. Up until last month I was a hobbyist and never considered paying for Max as it was far out of reach. Now that I'm actually working in the field I've made becoming a legit user my top priority. Unless, that is, Autodesk become even douchier than they already are. I'm fine with the lame auth codes and shit. If they try selling me a product with a built-in lifespan... no. Never.

Just imagine the shitstorm if a goods manufacturer tried something like this. Shoes rigged to explode after fifty miles. A cellphone that bricks itself after twenty-four months. We wouldn't put up with it. Why do so for software?

I think it was Socrates who said... "I drank what?"

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7/3/2012 6:05:40 PM (last edit: 7/3/2012 6:05:40 PM)
show user profile  Nik Clark
Makes Blender more attractive, doesn't it?




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7/3/2012 6:06:37 PM (last edit: 7/3/2012 6:06:37 PM)
show user profile  advance-software
so wait ... you're a pirate.

who gives a shit what you think.

just nick the shoes mate. and a telly and whatever else you want.

after all, why should the people who worked their backsides off get any financial compensation for making the things you use.

we're not your fucking slaves.

renting things. what an entirely unreasonable concept. has never happened before. ever.

now, in europe, we have to or we'll lose our revenue streams.
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7/3/2012 6:07:30 PM (last edit: 7/3/2012 6:11:59 PM)
show user profile  Black Mariah
advance: If you want to sell me a time limited license I will indeed go somewhere else. To me that just says the company I'm dealing with doesn't give a fuck about anything but my money and have already built obsolescence into their product as a form of vendor lock-in. None of those things are good for anyone but them. Regardless of how good the product may be, there's always an alternative.

I think it was Socrates who said... "I drank what?"

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7/3/2012 6:11:58 PM (last edit: 7/3/2012 6:11:58 PM)
show user profile  Nik Clark
For what it's worth, my Max license is only for 18 months at a time.


Please reefer to the first rule of max forums, beore this gets out of hand.



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7/3/2012 6:13:16 PM (last edit: 7/3/2012 6:13:16 PM)
show user profile  advance-software
and that's why people are still using internet explorer 6.

because the fucker doesn't time out.

a giant pain in the backside for website developers.

our browser currently has a 2 month time out in it. (free as it happens at the moment as in beta)

that means our developers only have to target the latest version as the old stuff has expired.

much better. will probably extend the timeout to maybe 3 or 6 months when we go commercial.
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7/3/2012 6:14:34 PM (last edit: 7/3/2012 6:17:57 PM)
 
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