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Releasing a model to a developer
show user profile  roccodiablo
Hi all

I did some work last year for a property developer. I just had an email from my client asking if I would release the 3D models I created.

Never been asked this question before. I personally don't have any issues but just seeing if anyone has ever been in a similar situation. Should they have to pay for them?

What would you arch vis people do if you were asked to hand over your models?


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7/9/2013 4:54:58 PM (last edit: 7/9/2013 4:54:58 PM)
show user profile  Kajico
I would ask them for what purpose. Some archviz people charge per rendered image and some companies feel that by asking the model to be released to them, they can do their own renders.

I'd have them sign something along the lines that it will not be for commercial use and that they'll be giving credit for the model in promo materials.


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7/9/2013 5:08:00 PM (last edit: 7/9/2013 5:08:00 PM)
show user profile  roccodiablo
Thanks Kajico

I suspect any credit would go to the guys I did the work for anyway as it wasn't direct to the developer.

Anyway, we shall see what happens
Thanks again

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7/9/2013 6:43:47 PM (last edit: 7/9/2013 6:43:47 PM)
show user profile  Joey Parker Jr.
I give clients what is stated in the quote.
If the 3d model is not included in the quote then it's an extra fee to release it later.
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7/9/2013 6:48:16 PM (last edit: 7/9/2013 6:48:16 PM)
show user profile  AsylumGame
I did modeling and rendering work for a client in the restaurant biz. It is a very large and famous chain.
Our contract clearly stated that the price was for renderings only. I spent weeks modeling and texturing their custom furniture that went into the scene.

Later they came to me with changes, I made them and charged them the same rate for the renderings previously done.

After I completed all the work they demanded that I turn the models over to them so they could use them again.

I politely explained that these models were custom made for me to use only and passing them out to be used elsewhere was basically shooting my own nose off and giving free labor to my competition.

I gave my clients three options, purchase the models out right and two different leasing plans for the rights to the models. Needless to say once they saw the price they decided that it would be more economical to return to me for any future work.

*edit:

To come up with a price for the models, I took the current price per rendering multiplied by the total number of renderings per project. Then I multiplied that number by the total expected projects to be completed in the calendar year, then multiplied that by two. ( this ends up covering 24 months )

So if I charge $1000 per image and each project has four images that is $4000 per project. If they were doing 9 projects that year I multiplied $4000 x 9 and got $36000 x 2 = $72000 final cost.

But this was because they explicitly told me that they were going to freely distribute my work to other firms or artists.

I DO NOT give my work away.
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7/9/2013 7:25:39 PM (last edit: 7/9/2013 7:32:00 PM)
show user profile  roccodiablo
fair point, if I'd put any of that in the quote then that would've made this clearer. I've emailed back seeing if they are expecting to just hand them over or charge.

I didn't think there would be any hard and fast rules to this but thought I'd check.

Cheers Joey


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7/9/2013 7:30:39 PM (last edit: 7/9/2013 7:30:39 PM)
show user profile  roccodiablo
thanks Asylum

yeah, makes total sense
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7/9/2013 7:33:16 PM (last edit: 7/9/2013 7:33:16 PM)
show user profile  Coxy
If it wasn't in the original agreement, you'd have to be incredibly generous to give stuff to people for free imo.



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7/9/2013 11:30:57 PM (last edit: 7/9/2013 11:30:57 PM)
show user profile  Octopuzzy
Imo they are paying for your time, not for a final image...anything you produce with the time they paid you for, they own. At the same time I agree with most of what Asylum said...so it's a tough question.




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7/10/2013 9:12:59 AM (last edit: 7/10/2013 9:12:59 AM)
show user profile  donvella
IMO its not that difficult.

>I give clients what is stated in the quote.
If the 3d model is not included in the quote then it's an extra fee to release it later.

I would say most law practices would agree with this.




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7/10/2013 9:27:40 AM (last edit: 7/10/2013 9:27:40 AM)
show user profile  Joey Parker Jr.
octopussy - when you say they are paying for your time, are you including the 5-10-25 years of experience and study you needed to reach the point of being capable of producing the work?
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7/10/2013 9:30:04 AM (last edit: 7/10/2013 9:30:04 AM)
show user profile  Westcoast13
donvella, i actually completely agree with that.

I've (only once a couple of years ago) released a model and later regretted it - it just to re-used and modded in house so i saw no further work from the project.

Hindsights a wonderful thing but in future i won't release anything unless i am paid for it.


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7/10/2013 9:52:10 AM (last edit: 7/10/2013 9:52:10 AM)
show user profile  reeves1984
Indeed it should be broken down by the delivery.

Was the delivery just images, was it a PSD with layers so they can do some retouching?
If you're modelling for a 3d company, you would have over the working files.

But you should not hand over the working files so that they can then PAY someone else to work on it and make new material from it.

Unless they want to pay for that.

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7/10/2013 12:10:39 PM (last edit: 7/10/2013 12:10:39 PM)
show user profile  roccodiablo
yeah this is interesting actually

Basically, I did this work when I was self employed. Now I'm back working for the 'man' and have a proper job, I have nothing to lose. The chances of ever working for this company again is slim as I very much doubt I'll do any freelance stuff for a long time.

Yes, they will be using my models to work up other variations by the sounds of things.

Looking at my quote, I'd specified that I would be providing images so no mention of the working files.

It looks like I have a moral dilemma. I could refuse to hand them over and ask for payment, no doubt will piss off my client and would put an end to any future work should any circumstances change (which doesn't come naturally and I would hate to do). Or hand them over, keep everyone happy, except feel a little cheated that I should've made some money from it.

Surely, at the very least, I should be paid for a days work to zip up all the files and send over? It was a pretty big project.


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7/10/2013 12:35:42 PM (last edit: 7/10/2013 12:35:42 PM)
show user profile  Westcoast13
It might nark them a bit to have to pay but how much will it save them in the long run not remodelling the lot.

If they're using other guys to re-work your model then they probably arent considering using you again anyway. Well that was why i kicked myself at handing over my old model!


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7/10/2013 12:42:35 PM (last edit: 7/10/2013 12:42:35 PM)
 
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