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New pc, max doesnt work. (And many other stuff neither)
show user profile  StevegeK
Hey guys!

Got a new pc and it's bugging the hell outta me. Why? There's an issue!

First, the specs:
Intel Core I7 920 @ 2.67 GHz
NVIDIA Geforce GTX 260 vid card
6GB DDR3 1600 ram
Motherboard: MSI X59 Platinum
Vista 64 + SP1
The PSU: Huntkey LW-6550HG 550W:



Where it goes wrong
Okay had a clean install, bought the whole setup just a few days ago. Installed the motherboard drivers that came along, downloaded the newest nvidia drivers and tried the GTAIV nvidia drivers as well.

GTA IV results in doing weird, then bluescreen:

When I try to run Nvidia's ntune it doesn't give me a chance to view it's properties and such because it gives......:

Tada...


Then installed 3D Max 64bit and at direct3D AND openGL the viewports are just mad. Most of the time I don't see anything at all but sometimes it refreshes and renders the window I'm working in...

At the nvidia forums they say it might be my PSU since the vid card needs a lot.
But I do get the part of running GTA then, being errorous and then crash. But 3D Max doesnt run properly at all... could this be a PSU error?

Thanks in advance for your replies guys. :)



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2/17/2009 1:12:23 AM (last edit: 2/17/2009 1:12:23 AM)
show user profile  donvella
Im not a pro mate, but id have to agree with the nvidia forums. we dont use anything less then 750watt psu's for any machine we need - however we just use these because we know they are sufficient.



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2/17/2009 1:58:25 AM (last edit: 2/17/2009 1:58:25 AM)
show user profile  StevegeK
Thanks on that, so the PSU could very likeley cause the problems?

Also concerning max? I mean running out and thus failing to render GTA IV on my screen makes sense but with max I don't see anything at all except sometimes one frame...



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2/17/2009 3:37:08 AM (last edit: 2/17/2009 3:37:08 AM)
show user profile  TP
http://www.nvidia.com/object/product_geforce_gtx_260_us.html

if you scroll down then you will see the power requirement for your card is 500W which is nearly all that your psu can deliver at maximum, so yes it will be your graphics card cannot run. you will need a bigger psu.
id go for a 1000W psu as the 750 could still cause you problems depending on what else you have pluggged in to your pc
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2/17/2009 8:01:16 AM (last edit: 2/17/2009 8:02:42 AM)
show user profile  Dr. Jim
Maybe Bryan C will come along and explain to you how to use 4 X 1400watt power supplies to generate 50 gigawatts of power?
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2/17/2009 8:18:29 AM (last edit: 2/17/2009 8:18:29 AM)
show user profile  Stephen R.
this is DEFINITELY a power supply problem. I have a PCP&C MWT made 500w psu and it wont handle a system like that, much less this generic 550 watt pos. Id recommend nothing under 800w for your system, and make sure you get a good one, single rail is best.


@Jim: No but I can tell you how to wire together two 1600watt psu's to make a dual rail 3.2kilowatt psu :)





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2/17/2009 8:30:35 AM (last edit: 2/17/2009 8:55:06 AM)
show user profile  horizon
2 x 1.6KW = 3.2 TW ?


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2/17/2009 8:38:52 AM (last edit: 2/17/2009 8:38:52 AM)
show user profile  Stephen R.
lol sorry, was just talking terawatts with a friend on msn, and it just kinda slipped in there xD edited to be fixed :)





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2/17/2009 9:09:32 AM (last edit: 2/17/2009 9:09:32 AM)
show user profile  StevegeK
Okay you guys seem awefully sure... does anyone have an I7 core pc and a GTX 2xx Nvidia card?? And if so what OS are you running etc?

I'm such a noob concerning these things arg!



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2/17/2009 9:23:38 AM (last edit: 2/17/2009 9:23:38 AM)
show user profile  Stephen R.
I just ordered up tri sli 285's with an i7 920 and 12gb of DDR3 1866 ram, I paired it with a 1200watt PC Power And Cooling 1200watt PSU. My Dual 4870x2 / Q9650 machine runs a 1600watt Ultra PSU. Never ever skimp on your PSU, undervolting ruins hardware, period. Id spend money on a psu before I spent money on a graphics card. HArdware is gonna be outdated anyways, but a good psu will hold you in good stead for 3-5 years.





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2/17/2009 9:45:35 AM (last edit: 2/17/2009 9:45:35 AM)
show user profile  Toen
Hi Steve,

I found this review using the same type of power supply as yours (different fan I think) and it didn't turn out so good, like their info is misleading, inefficient components, high noise levels. In the comments someone posted that they started to put 450 continuous watts on their label with max peak of 550 watts instead. The power supply exploded in their test too :(
http://www.hardwaresecrets.com/article/668/10

Personally I would get a better power supply. Seems like what you are using is pretty low watts especially if it's running below what is labeled. When I was doing research for computer components online one thing I found when reading about power supplies is that sometimes manufacturers will label the max/peak wattage instead of continuous wattage of their power supply and also at temperatures of ambient air that are generous to the PSU instead of what is more likely to be the case while running inside a computer case, like with hotter ambient air which reduces the power supply effectiveness.

Computer part expert people here let me know if I'm wrong!


I just built an i7 920 computer as well, running with Vista 64bit, Max 2009, and a GTX card. I haven't had any problems though:

i7 920 @ 2.66 GHz
Asus P6T deluxe motherboard
6GB DDR3 1600 ram as well.
GeForce GTX 285 video card
Corsair TX750W 750W Power Supply


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2/17/2009 1:10:51 PM (last edit: 2/17/2009 1:12:54 PM)
show user profile  Stephen R.
All of Corsairs PSU's other than the 1,000watt (which is made by meanwell, same as PCP&C), are made by SeaSonic, not the best company, but for daily use should be stable enough as long as you arent pushing the system and/or dont need to run a lot of hardware (10+ hard drives, triple gfx cards, etc).

Also dont forget guys, most cases these days have room for two psu's in them, two 1,000watt corsairs is better than paying twice as much for a high end 1,200watt psu :)





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2/17/2009 1:16:46 PM (last edit: 2/17/2009 1:16:46 PM)
show user profile  Toen
Wouldn't running 2 1kWatt power supplies cost more/use more electricity than one 1.2k watt power supply?
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2/17/2009 1:36:20 PM (last edit: 2/17/2009 1:36:20 PM)
show user profile  Stephen R.
a high end 1,200 watt psu is $499, the Corsair is currently $219, so yes by like $40.

As far as "use more electricity" the answer is NO. No matter how much power a psu CAN produce, it will ONLY pull as much power as the hardware behind it is drawing, so if you use one to run your motherboard, and another one to run your graphics card, they will pull the same amount of power as if you had the motherboard and the graphics cards pulled off of a single psu.

In fact, they might even pull less power since when a power supply reaches its upper limits, its less and less effecient, and has to pull more power to meet the demand.





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2/17/2009 1:48:34 PM (last edit: 2/17/2009 1:49:02 PM)
show user profile  Toen
I understand the pulling what is needed part it seems like the cost to just operate would be more for 2 psu's vs 1 psu though. Like from idle to full use the single psu might start out ahead regarding efficiency in cost of electricty a person would have to pay but would be over taken by 2 psu's not having to work as hard as more work is required.


Edit: has there ever been a test of this, would be interesting to see. Oh the case I bought happens to have 2 slots for power supply too, I got the Cooler Master HAF 932 - I love the amount of open space it has inside.

Did you see that Corsair switched from Seasonic to Channel Well Stephen?
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2/17/2009 1:59:38 PM (last edit: 2/17/2009 2:18:15 PM)
 
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