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Multiple bay external HDD enclosure
show user profile  9krausec
I need more storage than what I have. To back stuff up and archive work/files. I figured the best way to go about it would be to get a external hard drive bay enclosure system so I can run raid-1 on (or the mirroring raid) to protect against failure.

Would any of you have any good recommendations for solutions? I'm looking for the most bang for my buck, but I want something reliable and of good performance too. Ideally looking for something to run 2TB of storage mirrored (so 4TB in total).

Thanks all!!

Edit: Very tempted to just go on Craiglist and pick up a few WD Passports... but I don't know about buying used hard drives...

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1/21/2014 3:08:30 PM (last edit: 1/21/2014 3:09:50 PM)
show user profile  herfst1
Buy new, they're pretty cheap (around US$100* for 1tb where I live, though Malaysia's cheap for hardware). Go for usb connection. Never had issues with the new(er)** ones, the old(er) ones are kinda shit since they're slow, but also have a tendancy to disconnect midway through copying files.

* Would have to double-check latest prices and conversion rates
**Not a hardware guy, so don't know technical terms.

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1/21/2014 3:26:44 PM (last edit: 1/21/2014 3:26:44 PM)
show user profile  9krausec
Thanks for the reply.

How does everyone feel about running mirrored raid? I tend to worry more so about things than I should. I have never had a hard drive crash on me ever so I don't know how common it really is. It only takes once though to get skunked and lose a bunch of very important files.

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1/21/2014 3:30:07 PM (last edit: 1/21/2014 3:30:07 PM)
show user profile  TiMoN
Raid1 (mirrored) is good old safety. but you only get half of the storage you have bought.
If you have an Array with at least 3 disks, I would look into Raid5. This only uses one disk for backup purposes, and is theoretically faster than Raid1, since it uses all disks like Raid0.

Normally I would recommend getting a NAS box for convenience. But if you only need it for one computer, then USB3 is probably the way to go speedwise.. (I havent got any experience with Thunderbolt yet..)

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1/21/2014 3:57:14 PM (last edit: 1/21/2014 3:57:14 PM)
show user profile  9krausec
@TiMoN- I think NAS is exactly what I am looking for. It seems like I could get the most out of it. Good call on the Raid5! I had no clue it worked that way. Question for you though. What happens when I use up 2 HDD of space and only have 1 HDD of backup? Does it compress it or something!

Thanks again for NAS suggestion. Now I know what I am searching for at least on the interwebz.

Edit: So now that I researched NAS for all of 2 minutes... What bout getting an old case, a cheap MB and a few hard drives and making my own NAS? I don't know what it would run for an OS, but the prices of dedicated prebuilt NASes seem to be pretty steep.

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1/21/2014 4:00:43 PM (last edit: 1/21/2014 4:04:04 PM)
show user profile  Setherial
Synology sells very good home NAS systems, probably among the best you can buy. The problem however with a NAS is that the disks you put in are a serious investment. You can't put in your typical "green" disk in a NAS, they are not designed to run 24/7 and will most likely fail pretty fast. You need enterprise disks and they cost twice as much.

If you're buying a NAS go to manufacturers site, they usually have a list of compatible tested disks.

I just go with WD Passport 2Tb Usb3 external disks for backup, I figur they won't fail any time soon as they see very little use in contrast to a NAS where your drives are constantly active or at best in some sort of sleep mode. That said I don't store anything of great value.
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1/21/2014 4:38:01 PM (last edit: 1/21/2014 4:38:01 PM)
show user profile  TiMoN
Not gonna pretend I can give a good description of how RAID works.. so have a link:

Building your own NAS is quite possible, and any Linux distro with a samba server should do it. I would think it would be hard to build something as small as a dedicated NAS though. Small Mini ITX cabinets normally only fit one or two 2.5" disks.. for a proper RAID setup, that does not cost a fortune, I would want at least three 3.5" disks.. and in order to fit that, you would most likely need, at least, a Micro ATX tower.

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1/21/2014 8:51:25 PM (last edit: 1/21/2014 8:51:25 PM)
show user profile  donvella
i have a few 3TB HDDs as backup, but im using Bitcasa online storage backup. I have all my data on there (about 4TB). They give you unlimmited storage for $100 per year. Seems like a good deal for an offsite backup for me.

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1/21/2014 11:47:12 PM (last edit: 1/21/2014 11:48:39 PM)
show user profile  9krausec
Great recommendations guys! Really interested in checking out Bitcasa! I think it's either going to be online storage for me or get a few 1tb hard drives. Probably the hard drives. As much as I would like to have a NAS, it's just too much money for me right now. And Bitcasa sounds great, but my internet speed is shitty half the time so that probs won't work.

Thanks guys! Really appreciate the brainstorming.

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1/22/2014 12:21:41 AM (last edit: 1/22/2014 12:21:41 AM)
show user profile  Tarkus289
Western Digital "Red" drives, highly recommend. I recently installed two 3 TB. drives, RAID 0,
6 TB. fast as sh*t, no redundancy.
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1/22/2014 1:41:11 AM (last edit: 1/22/2014 1:41:11 AM)
show user profile  Mr_Stabby
just got an asrock 11/ac based storage server for the office, might be a bit overkill for home use though.

I'd recommend a cheapo celeron based system for a NAS, can make do with around $150 for at least 6 sata ports and the option for more if you add another controller later on.

Raid 5 is cool, the storage you get is always 1 hdd less than you have in the array so if you got 3 drives you get the storage space of 2 and if you got 10 drives you get the space of 9 etc. It works by duplicating a fraction (1/(number of drives-1)) to one other drive so for example if you have 3 drives, the data would be stored like this
where each letter represents the fraction sized chunk of the data. If any one of the drives fails you lose no data.

Used HDDs is not a very good idea, they might appear work brilliantly up to the point where you buy them but modern hard drives degrade pretty consistently. Bad sectors automatically get replaced with surplus ones and by the time the drive gets into your hands they might all be used up.

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1/26/2014 12:37:23 AM (last edit: 1/26/2014 12:37:23 AM)
show user profile  9krausec
If I can build a NAS for 150 I def will be going that route. Thanks Stabbster.

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1/26/2014 5:38:51 AM (last edit: 1/26/2014 5:38:51 AM)
show user profile  vierendeel
I'd like to see that $150 NAS build, Mr_Stabby. What exactly are you including for that $150? Obviously not the hard drives, but it seems like you'd be hard-pressed to buy a case, CPU, mobo, RAM for even that cheap. I'm looking at a NAS myself, so am truly intrigued by such a cheap proposition.
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1/26/2014 9:05:41 PM (last edit: 1/26/2014 9:05:41 PM)
show user profile  9krausec
I'll probs just build a case Vierendeel. Like out of wood and stuff.

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1/26/2014 11:20:04 PM (last edit: 1/26/2014 11:20:04 PM)
show user profile  Mr_Stabby
wood and stuff case it is! going off newegg for pricing

$60 Intel Celeron G1820
$20 Cheapest 4gb ddr3 stick
$19 HEC HP485D
$60 Biostar B85S3+

$159 total, i could have shaved off the 9 bucks but the cheaper psu looked extra extra funky. The mobo and cpu are solid enough, the ram plentiful for this application and i've had good experiences with HEC PSU's... Its even capable of handling a raid card without inhibiting it. 10GbE card is somewhat iffy, would probably need to upgrade cpu for that (but those cost like $300 at least anyway)

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1/27/2014 1:45:41 AM (last edit: 1/27/2014 1:45:41 AM)
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