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little rant
show user profile  Mr_Stabby
I tried to keep an open mind about windows 8 but now that i've actually experienced it, I feel it is my duty as an internt trolling human being to call it a steaming pile of shit.

For one the functionality took a slight hit by adding a key press or two to all my regular windows related activities, what is worse though is the metro style. To describe it shortly its like trying to decypher really bad handwriting, the lack of support structure in form of lines and common contrast schemes makes it really difficult to grasp stuff with your eye. The usual logics where things are supposed to be or what they commonly look like went out of the window (ha pun!) and is replaced by one of them web design framework looks that i so deeply loathe.

And the thing that really pissed me off, they also slapped that crap on the new visual studio. As some of you might know its a really heavily populated UI, might even have more buttons and bars than max. Now its all uniformly gray, just random words and icons floating around in that gray cloud with no indication as to what is related to what (any of them might be a button, tab or static text as far as the visual side is concerned). Everything just blends together in a cloud of crap...

What i dont understand is wtf did microsoft set out to do with this "design" anyway? It fails on all accounts of being a GUI - its ugly, retards functionality and has already gathered a solid hater-base. I firmly believe that whoever came up with this stupid ass idea should be banished to a deserted island along with whoever came up with captchas and javascript frameworks.

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8/30/2012 6:17:43 AM (last edit: 8/30/2012 6:17:43 AM)
show user profile  Garp
Well, that's bad news for VS :(
There was a lot of fuss about the express edition not supporting desktop anymore (only windows 8 or web dev) but MS changed their mind in june. So Visual C++ express 2012 should be available for desktop, apparently with all the goodies, like AMP and PPL, but no x64 compiler! Not even in the SDK! Still, it's not out yet (I couldn't even find a release date) and with all the unhappy people out there, there's still hope they'll change their mind again.

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8/30/2012 7:10:41 AM (last edit: 8/30/2012 7:10:59 AM)
show user profile  Weetabix
Personally, I think Windows seven is amazing. It's never let me down, and works pretty much the way I would want to work.

Having spent some time with Windows 8, I hate it. I think they have completely dropped the ball trying to mix the tablet and desktop interfaces and ruined both because of it.

No doubt, we will be forced to upgrade to it when Microsoft announce DX12, the next Xbox, etc, all with this stupid, retarded interface. It might work on a mobile phone or a tablet, but get that crap the hell away from my desktop.

I can see many organizations choosing never to upgrade to it.


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8/30/2012 9:42:25 AM (last edit: 8/30/2012 9:42:25 AM)
show user profile  advance-software
not arsed about what they did with the vs ui - it's not so bad when you get used to it. the problem is it won't target xp so I've reverted back to vs 2010. will probably drop the intel compiler in there instead at some stage so I can target all active win configs from one binary.

win8 - ummm. yeah. they've made it harder to use. stuff requires more clicks. fail.

the metro ui is kind of ok if you like that kind of thing & probably works well on a tablet, but I don't use a tablet. simpilfying the desktop to try to persuade people not to use it is ... feking annoying.

kill the desktop & I'll just use a different one. loving linux mint :)

metro + standard win7 desktop would be kind of ok. the win8 desktop is a step backwards.

that said, it's not as terrible as everyone makes out either. it works, it's just a pita.

dx11.1 on win8 only so there is a technical reason to "upgrade".

anyone else getting visible desktop.ini files (& other hidden files visible) on the rtm version ?
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8/30/2012 10:49:56 AM (last edit: 8/30/2012 11:15:54 AM)
show user profile  jStins
I thought it was well established that every other Windows release is shit. I heard only bad things about Vista and love Windows 7. So why bother?

Also Stabby, you should channel your Windows 8 hate into writing a 'Hardware for 3D Artists Guide' that we can have in the featured threads. You helped a lot with my build and seem to be very knowledgeable about that stuff.


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8/30/2012 8:43:29 PM (last edit: 8/30/2012 8:43:29 PM)
show user profile  LionDebt
Problem with that, Joel, is the hardware changes on a month to month basis as new chipsets and architectures are released it would become 'old' news within a few months :)

I much prefer the current method of people posting 'I'm building a computer' threads and Stabby lays down the law, the do's and the don'ts. :)
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8/30/2012 8:48:15 PM (last edit: 8/30/2012 8:48:15 PM)
show user profile  jStins
Well there's got to be some good general guidelines that would remain fairly constant over the course of a year or so. I mean, modeling tools have changed a lot over the years, but the fundamentals remain the same.

I think a guide that focuses less on a component shopping list and more on what benchmarks are relavent to what we do. For example, Stabby schooled me on some general stuff about RAM that I had no clue about in my build a PC thread.


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8/30/2012 9:15:57 PM (last edit: 8/30/2012 9:15:57 PM)
show user profile  advance-software

why waste time writing shit when there are sites dedicated to it.

and it does change all the time.

fastest i7 & latest nvidia gtx with a ton of ram & an ssd, there done.

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8/30/2012 9:19:46 PM (last edit: 8/30/2012 9:26:44 PM)
show user profile  jStins
I personally think something more targeted to 3D artists would be beneficial. I don't have the time or desire to become a hardware expert. And the signal to noise ratio at sites like that (as far as what's important to me) is pretty bad.

Plus I can't internalize information unless it's on a background of Max Forums green.


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8/30/2012 9:26:56 PM (last edit: 8/30/2012 9:26:56 PM)
show user profile  advance-software

just look for the 'as recommeded by mr stabby' logo.
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8/30/2012 9:32:22 PM (last edit: 8/30/2012 9:32:57 PM)
show user profile  jStins
Now that's something I could get behind as long as Dell uses the little psycopath from Stabby's sig.


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8/30/2012 9:36:06 PM (last edit: 8/30/2012 9:36:06 PM)
show user profile  Mr_Stabby
Valid points on both sides, the tech does change too fast (even slight fluctuations in prices every few weeks change things) and the hardware review sites generally do a bad job at representing whats important to modern 3d software (i mean they are using 5 year old test quality scenes for benching which isn't worth much anything these days).

I was thinking about setting up a simple site though where you could select stuff from list boxes and it would estimate the performance and cost in various situations and draw some fancy bar charts for easy comparison, as well as tell you what other hardware you need to support it and suggestions and such. Don't know if there would be much interest in it though, if its just gonna be one visitor every few weeks i might as well stick to trolling MF (not that i would stop anyway)

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8/30/2012 10:32:35 PM (last edit: 8/30/2012 10:32:35 PM)
show user profile  LionDebt
^ Hahaha so much win.

Can you imagine?

edit: also ninja'd.
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8/30/2012 10:37:43 PM (last edit: 8/30/2012 10:41:34 PM)
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