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Lens and equipment..
show user profile  9krausec
So, Bought a t3i, check.. But I noticed something.. The lens that came with it is crap! (well probably not crap), I cannot shoot unless I have a super ton of light or else I get noise (small aperature I suppose).

But, I was looking at new equipment for next semester for shooting HD film as well as property (for realistate)..

I was wondering if you guys could tell me what you think of these products and if they are bomb-diggity enough-

Then I'm getting a monopod with a fluid head...

I figure the shotgun mic is good enough for now, because wireless lapel mics cost a lot more (with the reciever)... will be using these for motion tracking tests for the most part anyways.. That and attempt at short films.

So guys, lens and shotgun mic for a t3i.. What do you think? Is prime the way to go? Is 50mm to tight, would 35 or 40 work better? Let me know what you think.

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11/8/2011 4:06:20 PM (last edit: 11/8/2011 4:06:20 PM)
show user profile  Error404
a 50 might be two tight on a cropped sensor camera, but it depends on what you are shooting. If you are shooting houses, you are probably going to want a pretty wide lens.

I like primes. They generally have a faster aperture, and are physically smaller than zooms. -

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11/8/2011 7:34:56 PM (last edit: 11/8/2011 7:36:21 PM)
show user profile  9krausec
thanks for the reply error!

Cropped sensor, I never even thought about that.. Umm, I have another shit lense that came with the camera and it's a 17mm-55 zoom lens.. I played around with the lens at 50mm and 35mm to get an idea of what I would be gettings with certain lenses...

Is that an accurate way to tell what you are going to be able to shoot with a fixed lens (range wise, not quality)?

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11/8/2011 9:17:35 PM (last edit: 11/8/2011 9:17:35 PM)
show user profile  nm8r
The Canon EF-S 17-55mm f/2.8 IS USM is one of the best lenses you can get for your camera. It's a fixed aperture zoom with image stabilization. How can that be a shitty lens? Was that a typo?

The Rode VideoMic you want is pretty good. A Rode NTG-2 would have much better sound though but would be more expensive and it has XLR output so you'd have to get some type of recording device that accepts XLR input like the Zoom H4-N, Tascam DR-100 or the new Tascam DR-40. You'd end up spending more though. The VideoMic would be fine for run and gun but wireless lavs are always better for every other situation.

For the camera's settings, I'd suggest you look into the B&H Videos - Look for Shane Hurlbut's HDSLR Educational Series in the VIDEO section -
I don't agree with his using Auto (AGC) for camera's audio however. He uses the camera's audio track as a sratch track but I like to have manual conrol and be able to have the track as a backup. He has professional sound people recording sound for his film so he doesn't have to worry about it.

They also have a review of the Tascam DR-40 there which looks like a much better buy than the Zoom.
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11/8/2011 11:24:01 PM (last edit: 11/8/2011 11:34:02 PM)
show user profile  9krausec
f/2.8? Even on full manual I can't get it to go below a f stop of 5.0... This lens produces horrible noise all over the place (especially in the shadows of the shot)..

So either you and I are talking about 2 completely different lenses, I'm missing some basic operation knowledge of this camera, or we just have 2 different views on what is quality and what isn't..

Could be any one of those 3, I'm going with the first option because like I said, I can't get the fstop to go below a 5.0... Not a 2.8.

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11/8/2011 11:32:06 PM (last edit: 11/8/2011 11:32:06 PM)
show user profile  nm8r
There are a lot of variables in the scenario you just mentioned. What ISO are you at? What shutter speed? Are you hand holding or do you have a tripod? What is the lighting liike? You can't open up wider than f/5.0 because you don't have enough light. A higher ISO would of course be noisy. If you have the lens I mentioned, it's not a lens problem.
Do you have this lens?

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11/8/2011 11:39:36 PM (last edit: 11/8/2011 11:52:09 PM)
show user profile  9krausec
no.. i have the one that came with the kit.. it's a

Canon EF-S 18-55mm IS II lens

In aperture priority mode I cannot get it to go below a f/5.0

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11/9/2011 12:09:57 AM (last edit: 11/9/2011 12:10:17 AM)
show user profile  soontekk
lenses don't produce noise unless you sneeze on them :)
like nm8r said we need more info
if your lens is fixed ap 2.8 you should get below 5 easily
noise can be produced by underexposing or wrong settings (iso etc)

are you shooting raw or jpg ?
what iso ?
indoor outdoor ?
did you set your cam to srgb or adobe rgb ?
maybe post a full size pic or raw file

just bought that lens for my gf, nice little thing
not to be compared with L glass though still very good

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11/9/2011 12:10:07 AM (last edit: 11/9/2011 12:11:38 AM)
show user profile  soontekk
put the lens on its widest at 18mm
no try again (should go down to 3.5)

put the lens at 55mm
no you only get 5.6


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11/9/2011 12:18:44 AM (last edit: 11/9/2011 12:18:44 AM)
show user profile  9krausec
shooting raw 18M 5184x3456


1920x1080 @ 30FPS

I'm uploading the output onto rapid share.. The video is 278.95mb

Below is a screen capture using jing.. See if you can spot the noise.

The jing is only part of the 1080p Video.. And i paused the video several times to better show the noise..

Also I took some screen shots of the whole thing too..

I just shot this indoors, with some artificial lighting, but still, that is noisy as hell.

I'll post a rapidshare of the video file as soon as it uploads..

EDIT: Can't find the settings to change aperture while shooting video. I'll keep on looking.

I did get it to go to 3.5 in AV mode, haha, thanks soontekk.

EDIT EDIT: Remember, this is video I'm talking about, not stills.

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11/9/2011 12:51:12 AM (last edit: 11/9/2011 12:55:49 AM)
show user profile  nm8r
I guess it was a typo when you wrote 17-55 above.
I would suggest that lens I mentioned then.
When your ISO is above 1600 you'll get grainy images with any lens.
Like I said previously, check out the videos of Shane Hulbut at the B&H link.

Check out Philip Bloom's amazon store suggestions under "7D Only Lenses" which would work with your camera.
The rest of his suggestions other than lenses don't seem so current but I don't think he updates that page much.

Your lens is fine (although stock lenses aren't always the best) check this video out for example:

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11/9/2011 12:59:50 AM (last edit: 11/9/2011 1:14:57 AM)
show user profile  Bobbyboy
All this confusion over him writing 17 instead of 18? didn't anyone think logically for a few seconds? When was the last time you saw a f2.8 constant aperture zoom as a kit lens with a canon entry level camera? seriously?

Anyway, to try and get this thread back on topic, yes, setting your zoom to the correct focal length is a good way of gauging if you will like that focal length in a prime, ie 24, 35, 50 etc

But keep in mind the possibility of moving to a full frame camera down the line and if you do all your lenses will seem a lot "shorter"

Now as far as lenses go, the sigma 50mm f1.4 is the best fast 50 available for canon unfortunately, in fact one of the best fast 50's available full stop. I say unfortunately because it really isn't all that great IMO (all based of reviews and tests). It is still pretty soft wide open and has some heavy vignetting visible. That said, it had wonderfully smooth bokeh.

Now if you are only interested in shooting video, you might as well look a little bit more abroad at non AF lenses, seriously, no one uses AF when filming, unless you want to use one of those nifty AF motor based follow focus set ups that people posted on here a while ago.

I would have to suggest giving samyang lenses a look, they make some truly amazing lenses and some very decent prices all without af.

They have an 8mm f3.5 fisheye, a 14mm f2.8 super wide angle, 35mm f1.4 fast normal, and a 85mm f1.4 that is also not too bad. The stand out lenses are the 8mm fisheye which is amazing and the 35mm f1.4 which is every bit as good as the canon L equivalent.

Also shooting with canon, and its short back flange distance you can get adapters for most other lenses ever made, so if you find a cheap rokinon 55mm 1.2 on eBay chances are you can use it, and since you don't really need AF, it should work great :)

That's just my 2c

Best of luck

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11/9/2011 1:17:11 AM (last edit: 11/9/2011 1:17:11 AM)
show user profile  9krausec
well nm8r.. Those videos are amazing. Already after the first one I am getting some major results.. My ISO was blown out and I didn't have the shutter and Fstop on manual..

I'm sort of upset that I didn't get the D60 because it seems like I'm missing some options he was going over, but like I said, I understand a bit more as to whats going on..

Thanks everyone! For the help..

Now, what do you think about the sigma I posted?

edit: and why 24 fps?? Why not 30 like NTSF standard?

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11/9/2011 1:37:32 AM (last edit: 11/9/2011 1:38:10 AM)
show user profile  9krausec
And thanks Bobbyboy also for the post.

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11/9/2011 1:40:49 AM (last edit: 11/9/2011 1:40:49 AM)
show user profile  nm8r
The Sigma 30mm would be better for a cropped sensor . But check out the Philip Bloom link above for the lens suggetions (He has a 7D but it should the the same for your camera)

24FPS has the cinema feel all the film snobs love.

Bobbyboy: LOL - I read the part where he says "I have ANOTHER lens" together with the 17-55 part:)

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11/9/2011 2:09:44 AM (last edit: 11/9/2011 2:10:55 AM)
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