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HTML 5 - Thoughts
show user profile  9krausec
Just figured since HTML 5 is pretty much out I would make a discussion thread about what the web designers here thought about it as well as svc and canvas. People think it will replace flash, but I am extremely doubtful and feel that is a little down the road (before we have a integrated design code that is comparable to flash that a browser can read stand alone). IE can't even take full advantage of some of the features yet (from what I understand anyways). Thoughts?

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6/8/2010 1:58:59 PM (last edit: 6/8/2010 1:58:59 PM)
show user profile  Kajico
I've yet to experiment with it, and I have yet to see any of our customers push any sites using HTML 5, most of the sites are still using Flash to serve video, I think it will be slow adoption, especially since there are so many stubborn designers/developers out there who aren't ready to drop something they're used to.

Personally I would like a standardization like this, I like sites to be simple, clean and cross platform, I try and avoid flash on sites as much as possible, but unfortunately you can't, hopefully HTML5 will bring this.

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6/8/2010 2:13:29 PM (last edit: 6/8/2010 2:13:29 PM)
show user profile  Nik Clark
It can not replace flash, not for a long while. The tools and capabilities are nowhere near Flash.
It is a logical progression, but it's in it's infancy.

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6/8/2010 2:15:18 PM (last edit: 6/8/2010 2:15:18 PM)
show user profile  advance-software
Flash reimplemented in html5/javascript.

Not particuarly practical, but ...

html5 video won't take off until major browsers support popular codecs such as h264.
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6/8/2010 2:17:45 PM (last edit: 6/8/2010 2:18:44 PM)
show user profile  Kajico

I really hope that's the adopted codec, I am a bigger fan of h264 than vm8, it gives a clean small foot print with really good video quality.

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6/8/2010 2:26:02 PM (last edit: 6/8/2010 2:26:02 PM)
show user profile  advance-software
h264 can't become an official web standard format because it's closed source & requires patent licensing fees to be paid to mpeg la.

It could however be supported via system codecs that end users (or operating system vendors) could install if they want to.

Infinity will support h264 html5 video via this mechanism. xsg video already uses this approach.

The other guys are trying to push webm (vp8) because it's open source & there are no patent licensing issues.
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6/8/2010 2:35:59 PM (last edit: 6/8/2010 2:36:27 PM)
show user profile  toldaddy
HTML5 is slow as hell right now for me, just take a look at the youtube HTML5 beta.. bleh. Long way to go, but I love the theory. I welcome HTML5 and wouldn't mind in the least if it ended up killing flash. I think boltz said it best in another thread, something like 'your browser shouldn't require any plug ins to view a site.'

I'm very interested to see what kind of HTML5 authoring apps they'll come up with, and I'd love to see flash even just adopt HTML5 as an export option.

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6/8/2010 5:21:15 PM (last edit: 6/8/2010 5:21:15 PM)
show user profile  advance-software
> your browser shouldn't require any plug ins to view a site.

That's a nice bit of theory, but in practice, you've got the standard & you've got people innovating beyond the standard. The innovations initially go into plugins, then migrate down into the core product. Same deal in max & other products. Browsers are just software applications. To hit the maximum audience, don't have any plugin dependancies. To innovate with cool new toys, exploit teh new tech. A good design exploits the new innovations (where available), but has a standards fallback for maximum audience/compatibility.
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6/8/2010 5:36:33 PM (last edit: 6/8/2010 5:41:10 PM)
show user profile  Bolteon
totally agree...

new tech def requires plugins/additions and all, but for how much people tote how essential and part-of-the-web-itself it's content is; they forget they have to agree to EULA from adobe every time they want to install flash.

-Marko Mandaric

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6/8/2010 5:58:47 PM (last edit: 6/8/2010 5:58:47 PM)
show user profile  toldaddy
The innovations initially go into plugins, then migrate down into the core product

Indeed, but flash is way past the initial, and should have been integrated by web browsers word wide by now. I just don't know that that's ever even going to happen.

Maybe I'm just being naive, but IMHO flash has stagnated over the past decade, and has become more of a burden than a valuable resource (as far as the web in concerned).. As businesses become more aware of things like SEO, browser compatibility, loadtimes/required bandwidth, cost/time for development, and just overall efficiency.... They'll begin to ASK for HTML5 over flash.

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6/8/2010 6:55:50 PM (last edit: 6/8/2010 10:05:04 PM)
show user profile  advance-software
The browser market did stagnate, largely due to ms/ie killing netscape.

The recent rise in popularity of new open source offerings based on webkit & mozilla is starting to address this.

That's design by committee for you. Everything moves dead slow.
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6/8/2010 6:58:03 PM (last edit: 6/8/2010 6:58:42 PM)
show user profile  Bolteon
errrrrrrrr.... dont think i can agree with that statement AS (at least not completely).

i feel that a much larger blame is to be held over adobe's head for buying flash; and worse off macromedia for selling it to them.

-Marko Mandaric

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6/8/2010 7:38:40 PM (last edit: 6/8/2010 7:39:03 PM)
show user profile  advance-software
Can't really blame adobe/macromedia for seizing a business opportunity & exploiting it.

i.e. introduce flash tech. free & generate revenue from sales of authoring tools & training, etc.

Ya capitalism.

The reason for slow progress in web standards development can only be laid at the door of the w3c.
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6/8/2010 7:42:03 PM (last edit: 6/8/2010 8:02:08 PM)
show user profile  Bolteon
no, we can't... we can complain that they hindered developement but in the end your right... if the w3c was interested in standardizing flash into some form of html5 8 years ago; it would have happened.

not sure how i feel about those guys.

-Marko Mandaric

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6/8/2010 7:50:36 PM (last edit: 6/8/2010 7:50:36 PM)
show user profile  Philbert

 Everybody`s Got Something To Hide Except Me And My Monkey

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6/9/2010 11:35:36 AM (last edit: 6/9/2010 11:35:36 AM)
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