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Hard drives
show user profile  Westcoast13
I'm starting to create a list of bits i need for a new pc and i see so much conflicting info on the best brand of hard drive to go for. I'm looking at a RAID 1 setup i think with a pair of 1tb drives. As always, money is tight but i dont want something that will fry after 2 months!

Anyone got any help for a relative amateur? :)

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7/20/2012 5:26:46 PM (last edit: 7/20/2012 5:26:46 PM)
show user profile  ccampbell
Dont know alot about raid configuration but Good HDD brands in my opinion are..

Western Digital

But honestly with a raid configuration shouldn't really matter what you have because everything should be backing up :P

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7/20/2012 8:00:31 PM (last edit: 7/20/2012 8:00:31 PM)
show user profile  Westcoast13
I was looking at WD's but as with everything some people love them, some people say not to touch them with a barge-pole! Confused!

As you said hopefully the RAID will take the pain away in the event of a failure anyway!

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7/20/2012 8:09:22 PM (last edit: 7/20/2012 8:09:22 PM)
show user profile  Mr_Stabby
a bit of recent history: maxtor got eaten by seagate, hitatchi got eaten by WD, samsung's hdd division got eaten by seagate

so yeah.. these days you can buy either a seagate or a WD hdd who have a sweet cartel going to triple hdd prices "due to a flood". Both of their hdd's are pretty much the same quality.. just get whichever is cheaper at the time.

If you're looking to raid them for the main system drive or plan on putting anything important on them do yourself a favor and stay far, far away from raid 0 because aside from double read/write speeds and combined capacity it also has double chance of failure + most mobo raid controllers dont support SMART so bad clusters go unchecked and the array is guaranteed to crash in 1-2 years. Raid 1 is better (double read speed, regular write, capacity of a single drive) since the chances that the same cluster fails on 2 drives at the same time arre microscopical. Just like in raid 0 though, most mobos dont support SMART in raid so its still built to fail.
Raid 5 isomething good from both worlds - 200% data reduncancy, 200% speed, 200% capacity but the catch is it takes 3 hdd's minimum to set up raid 5. Still prone to bad sectors in an off the shelf mobo.

I guess what im getting at is - if you wanna raid, get a raid controller card.

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7/20/2012 11:24:25 PM (last edit: 7/20/2012 11:24:25 PM)
show user profile  Westcoast13
As always Mr Stabby, your info is suberb, many thanks for taking the time to help me out.

As i said i am a complete noob to this sort of stuff really but did a bit of reading about raid configs and decided that a raid 1 would be good for me in the event of a drive failure.

Is that still true though, and sorry for the stupid question but if the motherboard i get supports raid 1, whats the difference with getting a controller card? Whats a good (cheap too) card to look at?

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7/21/2012 9:01:09 AM (last edit: 7/21/2012 9:01:09 AM)
show user profile  stevey2shoes
I've just bought a 2 tb Western digital hard drive, that this time last year, I paid £35 for.
When I looked 3 months ago, they were £75, so I waited for the price to come down,
I've just bought one 3 months later for £100.

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7/21/2012 10:53:47 AM (last edit: 7/21/2012 10:53:47 AM)
show user profile  Mr_Stabby
Fact is that HDD's get bad sectors, there is no way around it and first few will usually appear in 1 year or so. This doesn't mean your hdd is defective since its expected and there are tools in place to deal with it, on the front line is the SMART that often takes care of baddies before they even begin to disrupt the system.

The difference is that integrated raid controllers(and most cheap addin cards mind you) are notorious for mishandling bad sectors, either they dont catch them or fail to reallocate the cluster or spew out crap to the software trying to fix them because they are turds.

the only compatible and cheap series that i know of is highpoint's rocketraid (not to confuse with just rocket which are sata controllers with no raid).
620 is around $40 and has 2 ports (so only raid 0 and 1),
640 is $100 and has 4 ports and slightly better performance,
2720SGL is $160ish with 8 ports and pretty badass performance (only noticable with SSD's though which i dont recommend anyway since this series has no support for raid TRIM)

then there is a whole bunch of nothing until $350 range and up that have all the drive healthy features and caching and crap like that

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7/21/2012 11:35:41 AM (last edit: 7/21/2012 11:35:41 AM)
show user profile  LionDebt
Stabby... how you know so much? Are your oatcakes laced with the brains of baby scientist giraffes from the future?
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7/21/2012 1:00:30 PM (last edit: 7/21/2012 1:00:30 PM)
show user profile  ScotlandDave
Haha often wonder about the same thing of Mr Stabby, bloody clever boy :)

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7/21/2012 2:28:19 PM (last edit: 7/21/2012 2:28:19 PM)
show user profile  Mr_Stabby
hardware makes me hard :/ not sure that was the imagery you were after...

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7/21/2012 4:09:19 PM (last edit: 7/21/2012 4:09:19 PM)
show user profile  advance-software
you should get into chip design stabby. would be right up your street.
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7/21/2012 4:10:44 PM (last edit: 7/21/2012 4:10:44 PM)
show user profile  Westcoast13
Once again, great info - many thanks Mr Stabby! Proper oracle of hardware info arent you! :)

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7/21/2012 4:26:15 PM (last edit: 7/21/2012 4:26:15 PM)
show user profile  kellymichels
I've run RAID for many years but am moving more and more to straight SSD drives. With SATA3 a decent SSD outperforms RAID 1. My OCZ SSDs are pushing 525mb reads. Even my 10k SCSI arrays couldn't hit that. Sure SSD is more costly per GB but the speed and reliability (as SSDs have no moving physical parts and their MTBF is measured in millions of hours) are well worth it to me. If you look some SSDs are made for RAID configs, but not all are. SSD work best in AHCI but many MBs now days offer only AHCI or RAID so you need RAID capable drives.

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7/27/2012 5:55:35 AM (last edit: 7/27/2012 5:55:35 AM)
show user profile  spoon
If you are going to put those drives in raid, make sure to leave some open space between them. Drives in raid will always be active at the same time, so if you mount these right on top of each other, heat could become an issue.

I know because i found out the hard way :)

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7/27/2012 1:11:53 PM (last edit: 7/27/2012 1:11:53 PM)
show user profile  Westcoast13
Thanks spoon, good idea! :)

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7/27/2012 1:18:13 PM (last edit: 7/27/2012 1:18:13 PM)
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