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finally buying max
show user profile  stevey2shoes
Hi
I'm biting the bullet and buying MAX AND After effects.

One thing I don't understand is the pricing .

One supplier is telling me that ON TOP of buying MAX I can subscribe (I thought it was one or the other).
I'm reluctant to subscribe, AS WELL, I know it entitles me to new updates, but EVERY program I have, offers me updates, and they very rarely improve things. they just mean you have to relearn where everything is, and based on what people have said about physx taking a backwards step in the last update, I don't think MAX is any different, any feedback please????

I cant understand the VAST price increase between downloading straight from the website, and the prices I'm being offered , unless it is purely their profit margin, but even then, how would they do business, getting linked direct from a website, that offers it cheaper.
The prices I'm offered are also minus VAT, so this presents another problem.

I still stand my ground and say a lot of the listed resellers have a funny way of doing business. Few have given me a straight answer to a straight question, but I do respect those that have.
Instead, I'm getting all manner of sales BS from "call me we'll talk it over" which says they are afraid of putting things in writing, down to "unfortunately we cant quote until we get ALL your personal details , which sounds like a veiled attempt to bombard me with junk mail.
So how did you lot do it?, and If I buy direct from autodesk, do I also pay VAT? (I'm in England) or is this waived as the company is based in USA.
STEVE

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6/14/2011 7:43:06 PM (last edit: 6/14/2011 7:43:06 PM)
show user profile  advance-software
http://www.bluegfx.com/store/commercial/software/3d_modelling

So you're going to buy a commercial license even though you're only using it for hobbyist work ?

Is there really no non-commercial option unless you're a student ?
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6/14/2011 7:48:31 PM (last edit: 6/14/2011 7:51:13 PM)
show user profile  NLGFX_ger
max subscription just gives you updates and new versions automatically, thats right. However, the good thing about max is that once you have learned how it works, you wont have any problems at all to adapt to new versions... the "core" is all the same - but some stuff may look a little bit different plus it will have extra features... but you'll get along with it.

However, after all, I don't see a point buying max unless you don't really earn money with it. Or why do you do that? Just for your personal fun? Well, as long as you can afford it... ;)

I do not intend to encourage any piracy here - but once you are doing this for non profit purposes anyway, I wouldn't really buy it... this way, you don't really harm Autodesk financially if you don't earn any money with their programs anyway. But aren't there student versions that are a LOT cheaper anyways??! I thought so.

Nevertheless, it takes YEARS of experience (not only technically) until you will be able to actually create stuff that you can offer to clients - with contracts, deadlines and everything. You really need to know what you're doing here. Well, and since you have just starting using Max and have very basic 3D skills in general, it's probably a long road until you are good and confident enough to earn money with it. So I would not recommend you to buy it at this time. It might end up in frustration (not only because of the learning beeing so hard, but also that you have blown out loads of money for nothing).

Think about it! Learn first... gain experience - THEN buy ;)
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6/14/2011 7:50:57 PM (last edit: 6/14/2011 7:52:01 PM)
show user profile  stevey2shoes
I'm not sure what you mean about commercial licence. I thought you either buy out right or went through schooling to get a discount, as I'm not in school,I thought you just buy the program, can you explain in more detail please.
Funnily enough I did ask every reseller to explain the options, but not one of them gave me an option that involved me getting it cheaper. .
I know it might sound negative, but what happened to the days of seeing something you wanted,finding the cheapest prices, buying it , and owning it?
Its like mobile phones nowadays, there are so many options that profess to offer you a good deal, but all they are is sales spin to confuse you into buying stuff you don't need.
steve
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6/14/2011 8:24:33 PM (last edit: 6/14/2011 8:24:33 PM)
show user profile  NLGFX_ger
yeah, you DO sound negative ;)

There are only 3 options:

- Full commercial license with subscription
- Full commercial license w/out sub.
- Student license

as from my knowledge ;) Here we have certified resellers for Max. Only a few... just 1 or 2 official ones. Not sure who does that in UK but I am sure it works the same way there. You don't buy it directly from Autodesk. You need to find a cerified reseller like I said...
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6/14/2011 8:28:38 PM (last edit: 6/14/2011 8:28:38 PM)
show user profile  mike_renouf
Unless you are comfortable with spending that amount of cash, I'd probably try Blender for a while. It's free i believe and does many of the same things. You can learn the essential 3D techniques on it such as poly modelling, materials design etc. Then if you're really hooked and want to splash out you'll already have a knowledge base you can build on.

I suspect that by the time you learn enough about max to appreciate it you'll be about 3 versions behind the latest technology and you'll want to consider a repurchase. Unless you want to go for the subscription option which is aimed at professions - hence the pricetag.

Edit: it's not an easy choice. Max is great in my opinion, but i could probably never justify buying purely for pleasure. I'm just fortunate that my hard work has secured me a job that let's me use it.




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6/14/2011 9:06:30 PM (last edit: 6/14/2011 9:21:07 PM)
show user profile  del3d
4th option, 30 day trial :)
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6/14/2011 9:30:16 PM (last edit: 6/14/2011 9:30:16 PM)
show user profile  NLGFX_ger
he's done that already ;)
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6/14/2011 9:35:02 PM (last edit: 6/14/2011 9:35:02 PM)
show user profile  Nolan
Autodesk offers 3DS Max FREE for "students" through their FIRST Robotics program. (Google it) You get the latest version every year and as long as you dont start putting your stuff up on turbo squid or anything you should be good.
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6/14/2011 10:04:21 PM (last edit: 6/14/2011 10:04:21 PM)
show user profile  stevey2shoes
Yeah im 15 days into my free trial.
This is a really difficult decision.
Blender was an option but, there is very little about it as far as I've seen on the internet.
2 questions pop up, firstly....
How do I qualify for student status? do I need to provide proof of being on a course?, there are no 3ds max specific courses near me, and the few long distance courses are £500+, to an already escaltaing bill.
and
How does autodesk workout if you have profited financially while only paying them for student rights?
The prospect of training to a point where it becomes a profession is a great dream, but a dream none the less for me being realistic, and part of my impulsiveness fear is that I already poured £2000 into training in a new profession that I never followed through and practised or profited from. so I fear I could do the same with this.
Also If I cant buy direct from autodesk, why do they offer me a price?
Making the decision to buy 3ds max at £2100 was a struggle, to then also make the decision to add after effects to that was a bigger struggle. to find out that max now jumps up to £2795 (excluding 20%tax) and ae has jumped from £500 to £873 before tax is making a bad decision worse,
I suppose the real question is am I prepared to constantly find extra money to subsidise these hidden extras to fund this hobby, or am i Jack trying to spend my life savings on magic beans. and will it bring me that amount of happiness.
Steve

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6/14/2011 10:07:48 PM (last edit: 6/14/2011 10:07:48 PM)
show user profile  Nolan
You make an account on their student website (I think its like students.autodesk.com or something near that) Fill in all of the necessary info. Activate the account. Boom. Your a student. Thats about it. Its free. Like I said as long as you dont go selling your animations you will be fine.
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6/14/2011 10:11:49 PM (last edit: 6/14/2011 10:11:49 PM)
show user profile  stevey2shoes
REALLY???
That sounds really interesting, I would have at least thought autodesk would want more proof if they were effectively going to lose income.
In everyone's experience what is the difference between student and commercial price, just so that I'm forewarned,
Steve
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6/14/2011 10:24:08 PM (last edit: 6/14/2011 10:24:08 PM)
show user profile  stevey2shoes
Hi Sorry to ask again but I had a late reply to my price finding email to the various sellers.
Thsi one advises, as a student, its best to purchase a Creation Suite, this includes 3ds Max, Maya, XSI, Mudbox & Motion Builder all of this for £125.00,
Thsi sounds way to good to be true but is one of the listed resellers, So Im in two minds,
ANy feed back please.
steve
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6/15/2011 11:53:07 AM (last edit: 6/15/2011 11:53:07 AM)
show user profile  advance-software
that sounds about right. check with autodesk if you have any questions regarding the product being offered.

as to whether you qualify as a student, don't know. sounds like you're studying to me though.

they make their money from commericial users which is fair enough because commercial users make their money using the software.
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6/15/2011 11:56:42 AM (last edit: 6/15/2011 11:57:44 AM)
show user profile  stevey2shoes
Wow, this changes everything.
I'm tied up waiting for someone (not to do with computers or MAX) but once he's been and gone ill jump on that man and sound him out.
Steve
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6/15/2011 2:39:44 PM (last edit: 6/15/2011 2:39:44 PM)
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