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Dual Socketed Server Board for 3ds Max use?
show user profile  9krausec
Just wondering if anyone knows how 3ds works with dual CPU's? I know that rendering is moving more towards a GPU base, but I am looking at building another computer over summer and doing some research now...

Ideally I think it would be nice to have 2 i7s as well as 2 SLI Graphics cards.. Is this just purely a waste when it comes to 3ds max render/viewport performance? Can 3ds Max/Vray/any other renderers/software even work with 2 CPU's to take full advantage of them?

Just curious of any of you folks know.



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2/23/2011 5:00:44 PM (last edit: 2/23/2011 5:00:44 PM)
show user profile  Nik Clark
I have several dual Quad core Xeon machines, and max uses all cores to render.

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2/23/2011 5:08:06 PM (last edit: 2/23/2011 5:08:06 PM)
show user profile  9krausec
Alright, that's good to know that it would take advantage of all cores when rendering with the CPU, but now since rendering is turning more GPU based, what does that entail for CPU use? When rendering with GPU primary, does the CPU still help out with the process (at risk of sounding like an idiot I will ask this because I don't know much about GPU rendering at the moment)?

I only want to throw down the cash for 2 i7's (once I get the money of course) if they will be used and help out greatly, but if everything is going strictly to GPU base, are high end CPU's become less important?

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2/23/2011 5:11:31 PM (last edit: 2/23/2011 5:11:31 PM)
show user profile  Nik Clark
It depends on the render engine used. For example, iray will only use GPU OR CPU. Not both at the same time.

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2/23/2011 5:15:18 PM (last edit: 2/23/2011 5:15:18 PM)
show user profile  advance-software
No, but GPU renderers are not currently as flexible as CPU equivalents and not all tech. is GPU accelerated. Ideally you have a fast multi-core CPU + multiple fast GPUs. Obviously we all have limited budgets so you have to make a judgement call of where to invest.
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2/23/2011 5:16:41 PM (last edit: 2/23/2011 5:18:53 PM)
show user profile  9krausec
eh, I looked at some of the prices of shit and was surprised to see RAM dropped so much in price (its been about 2 years since I have looked). With the build I want I probably won't get out of the kitchen without dropping 2500 dollars... It's a lot of money for me, but I like to go big or go home, so that pc in that price range should last me 3 years easy.

When I get around to finalizing the specs I want I'll start a WIP thread and take many pictures!

Thanks for the input

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2/23/2011 5:29:42 PM (last edit: 2/23/2011 5:29:42 PM)
show user profile  Mr_Stabby
gpu rendering is a very narrow piece of the pie that is practical with 3ds max in fact you probably wont find a single thing its actually useful for right now :p the development is in motion however but i wouldnt expect to include it in my daily doings for at least another ~3 or so years.

Also right now is not a very good time to build a new system, sure intels new sb acrhitecture is just out but aside from great bang/buck in the mid range its not much to look at since its still intended as mainstream level product. That means that more likely then not the socket its using will never see more then 4 physical cores nor 16 pcie lane support for more then 1 card or in short its a dead end future upgrade wise. Socket 2011 is supposed to arrive at around summer this year tho which is gonna be the high end consumer market counterpart to 1155, so far intel is promising 8 physical cores, quad channel ddr and other goodies for that. Also AMD is supposed to be rolling out its bulldozer cores somewhere this year, speculation says that if they are any good (amd is touting them as a revolution n whatnot) they will probably be out the same time as intels new stuff to compete and every1 knows that a lil competition does good for the pricetag. If that wasnt enough westmere-ex(new xeons) is also planned for this summer with their flagship sporting 10 cores @ 2.4ghz and ability to go octo socket = 80 physical cores on 1 motherboard and on that note i should stop typing coz its giving me a boner.

PS! there are no motherboards that take multiple i7's or any other i brand processors, if you want more then 1 socket configuration you are gonna have to look towards xeon or opteron

there have been some multi socket mainstream processor boards in the past but none thats actually competitive right now.

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2/23/2011 6:06:10 PM (last edit: 2/23/2011 6:13:47 PM)
show user profile  BishBashRoss

Also. You do know you can't put 2 I7s on one board right?

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2/23/2011 6:09:32 PM (last edit: 2/23/2011 6:09:32 PM)
show user profile  9krausec
yeah, I just found that out sadly enough.. I am currently look into Nvidia's SR-2 board..

So now I know Xeon cpu's are primarily used in server boards, would they out perform an i7 cpu with roughly the same Ghz count?

Would it be worth going with 2 quad xeons or just 1 i7?

I also think I am going to make this "future dream machine" of mine water cooled.

Like I said, I am just speculating on this, don't plan on buying anything till mid summer/end of summer.

@MR.Stabby- good point. I will be waiting till near the summer to build this sucker, so perhaps it would be better for me to look into the possibilities then and start saving the clams now.

I am also at a fork in the road software wise as well. This summer I can either purchase software (current version of max, updating from 2009) or a new machine. I also need to get a none-ED version of Vray eventually too, once I start selling my Vray stuff.

So, another question would be, software or hardware? Currently I have a notebook I do all my 3ds Max stuff on, (the HP HDX 18t series) and I am doing fine so far, but have noticed some issues with my current Chevy Nova project being a bit overwhelming with rendering/viewport movements.

Damn, all this stuff costs so much, I need to start selling my work to make some of these purchases justifiable, but I do understand that this is the career I want to go into and am willing (and have) to make investments fiscally into this to get started.

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2/23/2011 6:48:32 PM (last edit: 2/23/2011 6:55:29 PM)
show user profile  Mr_Stabby
unless you are constantly dealing with 100k+ polys or 100+ objects a high end mainstream video card will have much superior value compared to quadro series cards imo, right now the best geforce is superior to the best quadro card in almost all aspects except for a) memory, there are 3gb models of gtx580 out but thats still half less then 6gb of the quadro however right now you are hard pressed to find a meaningful use for the extra 3gb b) somehow the quadros are just awesome for max viewport when it comes to high counts, if its worth 10x the pricetag is up to you

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2/23/2011 7:21:00 PM (last edit: 2/23/2011 7:21:00 PM)
show user profile  9krausec
Meh, probably not worth 10x the price tag for me, but sounds cool!

Not to get too far ahead of myself, but I found this wicked case that is pre-made for water cooling.. In my mind, cases are one of the only (if not the only) piece of a desktop that never really goes out of date and can be reused for new builds for years, so I like to buy something that is pretty large, looks cool..

and this, my friends, looks like something out of Valve's Portal.. hehehe, I want it..

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2/23/2011 8:11:01 PM (last edit: 2/23/2011 8:11:26 PM)
show user profile  CarnivoreMan
Back in the day, when I was young, dumb, and full of IT Enthusiasm, I was excited about my 14 full bay tower... That was one big/loud mofo.

now, if I could cram my machine into Wii case I would be super excited.
I lust over the variety if ITX form factors.

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2/24/2011 6:29:34 AM (last edit: 2/24/2011 6:29:34 AM)
show user profile  albongino
I just got a GTX 570 1.256Gb just not to spend extra $200 for the GTX 580 for 256mb more of memory and this thing swallows scenes with somewhat heavy polycount. bunch of foli and stuff. I don't think I'll ever have to buy a Quadro judging by the way things are looking these days..

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2/24/2011 6:39:33 AM (last edit: 2/24/2011 6:39:33 AM)
show user profile  9krausec
Where are my DNA cpu's? Wasn't that a big tech research thing a while ago?

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2/24/2011 10:08:40 PM (last edit: 2/24/2011 10:08:40 PM)
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