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Does it annoy you?
show user profile  9krausec
I know everyone here works with 3d art because they love it, be it a hobby or a job, but does it bother you when people don't understand the work behind cgi? I have a father who really doesn't understand computers, and when I try to explain the work I am doing he passes it off as "playing on the computer". People at my school think it is "cool", but they just don't understand the work and effort that is behind it. The art teacher who I am a good friend with doesn't think cgi work is considered art..... I know for a person to fully understand this stuff they need to actually do it, and it really shouldn't matter what the hell people think as long as you are happy, but how do you feel about the perception a lot of society seems to have on cgi work?

This probably goes for any line of work, but it was just bother me so I figured I would post..




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1/17/2009 5:05:32 PM (last edit: 1/17/2009 5:06:51 PM)
show user profile  Robroy
yeah it annoys me when people dont appreciate the work/ effort put in. However im only really concerned about the opinions of other 3D folk, and they appreciate those factors (mostly).

It was pretty funny...i showed 3D max to my grandad over xmas, and he thought I had created the actual 3D Max programme which made me chuckle. Old people and 3D dont mix!
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1/17/2009 5:38:09 PM (last edit: 1/17/2009 5:38:09 PM)
show user profile  Cylon
Clients dowt realise how much work goes into it, and when I bend over backwards and put in extra effort they then try to take the piss.

Your art teacher should not be teaching art after that remark. CGI is not an art ? What a complete and utter stupid remark. Ridiculous. Whats his name where does he teach ? I want to get him fired.

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1/17/2009 5:41:48 PM (last edit: 1/17/2009 5:41:48 PM)
show user profile  Nanne
An art teacher that doesn't consider CG as art? :S That is sad...

Yeah, it can be annoying some times. Some people also seem to think that, with today's modern technology, all you have to do is push a button and you've made an full featured animated movie. They don't realise all the artistic work and know-how behind it all. They just go; "Phss, anyone with a computer can do that."

Edit: Hehe, take it easy there Cylon :P Besides, he said that he is friend with this art teacher, I don't think he want his friend to be fired. It is just an opinion and everyone is entitled to have one of those, whether you find it stupid or not. How over, it does sound a little narrowed minded for an art teacher to say something like that. 9krausec I think you should show this teacher some really impressive CG and the work behind it and perhaps even show him yourself how 3ds max works. He might just change his opinion after a visit behind the scenes. That is your quest. Now go; forfill your destiny.

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1/17/2009 5:45:21 PM (last edit: 1/17/2009 5:58:35 PM)
show user profile  Robroy
people just take it for granted i think.....an audience doesnt care how much effort is put into Shrek for example! It sucks, but I think most artists find reward from their peers!
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1/17/2009 5:47:59 PM (last edit: 1/17/2009 5:47:59 PM)
show user profile  Kajico
My biggest issue is with people who call CGI work lazy. They think it's the cheap and easy alternative to traditional animation or classic special effects.

Which is utter bull crap considering how many hours on average your common CGI artist puts in during a project. They think because it's all done on a computer it must be done automatically for you.

I love traditional animation, I love classic special effects and old school puppetry and stop motion animation and I do wish more movies would implement these old school techniques, but it's not going to happen because CGI isn't cheaper, it's more convenient.


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1/17/2009 5:54:34 PM (last edit: 1/17/2009 5:54:34 PM)
show user profile  Cylon
I was only joking about getting him fired, but seriously, it's not an opinion, its a fact, it's an art form.
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1/17/2009 6:47:40 PM (last edit: 1/17/2009 6:47:40 PM)
show user profile  horizon
Well maybe I just know different kind of people, but every time I show some of my work to someone they are more impressed than 3d artist would be.
Perhaps people are easily impressed here, or, what is more likely, they just appreciate something by default if they couldn't even think about doing. (I do that for drawings sometimes, as I utterly suck at it, and am amazed when some, what would be considered average artist, does some average artwork with ease)

/switches subject from 3d to music/
What frustrates me sometimes is when people talk about some local bands here as if they were gods, and there are tons of bends and players here I know of that are way better, just don't have gigs yet.
/back to 3d/


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1/17/2009 8:34:44 PM (last edit: 1/17/2009 8:36:21 PM)
show user profile  Cylon
Lamans opinions are worthless.

Someone can have a showreel that has a few after effects pre-sets put on over some live action. A couple of weeks learning the software, a couple of video co-pillot tutorials, and some downloaded explosion effects etc....

Then someone could spend a whole month building, texturing, lighting and animating, and the lamen will think the AE stuff was better, or it took more skill, because it looks, qoute: 'more realistic'.

There are post companies in this city, and some of the work on their reels, looks okay, probably looks brilliant to a laman, but to somwone who nows how it's done, it's not worth shit.

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1/17/2009 8:48:23 PM (last edit: 1/17/2009 8:48:37 PM)
show user profile  hanksr00tbeer
You could say this about anything that requires more than the most basic of skills. You can't blame people for not understanding if they haven't spent as much time around CG as you have. However, this really only applies to people who enjoy (or at least respect) the outcome without questioning its production. It's when your local jackass (the kind most of the replies in this thread seem to be referring to) downplays your work, ignorantly vocalizing how simple such a project is, that it gets on my nerves.

But hey, what are you gonna do?
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1/17/2009 9:01:31 PM (last edit: 1/17/2009 9:02:17 PM)
show user profile  Dub.
I don't think 3d is "art" in the traditional sense most of the time. I think it's more craft.


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1/17/2009 11:14:55 PM (last edit: 1/17/2009 11:14:55 PM)
show user profile  Joey Parker Jr.
to follow up on what dub said
you must master the craft to be truly creative with it.
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1/17/2009 11:22:30 PM (last edit: 1/17/2009 11:22:30 PM)
show user profile  TiMoN
heh... used to get a lot of crap about this at my old job. people thought that both the visuals I did and the CAD work my co-workers did was "just a push of a button"..

That changed when we started talking price and time needed.. our salery made them realize that maybe there was more to it..

Oh and I hate people who say ask "Did you draw that" ... No batch... I modelled it..
(CAD people may draw, but this aint no curves we gots here)

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1/18/2009 3:22:13 AM (last edit: 1/18/2009 3:23:19 AM)
show user profile  killerbee2
when a client goes like this or that isnt that much work in their opinion, my invoice states otherwise.
I'm not bothered with it anymore. Sometimes letting people watch over your shoulder helps a lot.




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1/18/2009 4:56:03 AM (last edit: 1/18/2009 4:56:03 AM)
show user profile  Duders
Cylon: "Lamans opinions are worthless."

That's not necessarily true. I think layman's can be as useful as a expert in some cases. This is because the layman won't look at a piece and think of it in terms of rigging, modelling, and animating. They would see the people, or things, in the animation as actors, and so would be able to help with judging emotion and... stuff like that.

But yeah it is annoying. My flatmates say I just play on the computer all day. Which is true. but I could be working, and they wouldn't know the difference. And I enjoy this stuff so much that sometimes I'll just 'play' in max and this will help my work.
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1/18/2009 5:48:43 AM (last edit: 1/18/2009 5:50:06 AM)
 
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