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Coraline (in 3d)
show user profile  mattymoose
Great movie...or the greatest movie? Discuss.

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2/6/2009 10:43:51 PM (last edit: 2/6/2009 10:43:51 PM)
show user profile  Phalse
Good ++

High B+ or Low A-

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2/6/2009 11:02:02 PM (last edit: 2/6/2009 11:02:24 PM)
show user profile  Sir_Manfred
Never heard of it

Visit my Portfolio

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2/7/2009 5:40:17 AM (last edit: 2/7/2009 5:40:17 AM)
show user profile  mrgrotey
or me

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2/7/2009 5:45:09 AM (last edit: 2/7/2009 5:45:09 AM)
show user profile  TimTamFin
Looking forward on that one... Release date in june here in Finland.

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2/7/2009 8:43:34 AM (last edit: 2/7/2009 8:43:34 AM)
show user profile  Stianbl

Watching the trailer now. Never heard of it...

Edit: I like the graphics. Might be a good movie :P Not totally my style, but then again it might be fun ^^

Also, looks a bit like stop-motion. But it's 3d.

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2/7/2009 10:44:30 AM (last edit: 2/7/2009 10:48:12 AM)
show user profile  hanksr00tbeer
I'm pretty sure it is stop motion. I was all set to see this yesterday when all of my friends dropped it for other plans and I didn't have a ride. Hearing that it was good makes me hate everyone who got to see it even more. So screw you guys.
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2/7/2009 11:24:15 AM (last edit: 2/7/2009 11:24:15 AM)
show user profile  mattymoose
It's stop motion. It made me want to give up 3d CG.

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2/7/2009 2:57:43 PM (last edit: 2/7/2009 2:57:43 PM)
show user profile  Phalse
Meh noes giviZ up!

You know the numbers of talented model builders and 2D animators it took to film and animate Caroline.

Lets just say it took a LOT of talented people.

You are always just a small part of a large group, if you want to complete really quality projects.
I'm sure caroline movie had digital artists, traditional artists and clay modelers working on the stop motion.

If you have the modeling and painting talent for textures and about 32-64 2-2.6ghz cpu cores to render, Home built thats about 10,000 in computer hardware, something of carolines quality and even look is able to be output from 3D apps.
Of course you need to also have a great writer and story, realistically a million worth of paid talent :)- But remember if you have a guy who can rig and do post production and do modeling all well. You just got a pretty good deal having him work for you. He isnt worth Three full paid 75,000 a year artists but he is worth more than One who can only do a single skill well. With the right friends you can output pretty nice cg stuff and it will only get easier for us in the future.
Achieving the actual look of clay-mation is hard in 3D but not quite impossible with painted clay reference pictures, special renderers like final toon and post production.

The faster cpus get and the more cores they can fit on your cpus the more of an advantage CGI has.
The more cheap , fast cpu cores you have , the more work you can output thats quality.
The smaller the group of friends you need to output something nice.

(I predict around 128-256 cpu core processors will be their limit in 20 years, minicell core cpus running under 1 gig each core. These cpus will be similar to the play station III's cell processor but much more advanced. They will still have an upward limit on cores before you can't add any more to a single chip.)
In a couple decades you will have 100ghz mini-cell cpus. 4-8 per motherboard maybe even MORE per MB.

Not to mention what kind of RAM and HD interface we have then.

No way is it a good time to get "out" of cgi.

Unless you want to freeze your head and come back in 20 years, good luck with that.
I'll cya then.
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2/7/2009 7:56:13 PM (last edit: 2/7/2009 8:30:40 PM)
show user profile  hanksr00tbeer
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2/7/2009 10:46:48 PM (last edit: 2/7/2009 10:46:48 PM)
show user profile  Stianbl
=) I stand corrected. I thought it was stopmotion, but since the title here said 3D, and since they said it was in 3d in the movie, and since I couldnt find anything about stopmotion when I read through it very fast (probably way too fast:P) I just thought it was 3d. 3d CG, that is.

Anyway, I'll see if I get time to watch it. Or dll it, or something :)

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2/8/2009 12:52:39 AM (last edit: 2/8/2009 12:52:39 AM)
show user profile  mattymoose
Ignoring Phalse's novel, let me clarify what I meant.

Until physical renderers are fast enough for animation, and maybe not even then, CG movies will never be as qualitatively "real" as stop motion. Especially when rendered stereoscopically.

Seeing the previews before Coraline really drove this point home. You can contrast Ice Age 3, Monsters Versus Aliens, and Pixar's Up - all bleeding-edge 3dCG animation - with the old-school stop motion in Coraline, and they all look like shit in terms of realism. It's obvious that CG has a LONG way to go before it looks convincingly real in animated films.

@stianbl, the "3d" in my thread title refers to stereoscopic 3d

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2/8/2009 12:57:34 AM (last edit: 2/8/2009 12:58:17 AM)
show user profile  Redturtle
in WIRED magazine they talk about how it's stop motion.

pretty cool stuff, i'll def see it in theater. gotta find a theater that has the 3D projector near philly.

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2/8/2009 1:00:42 AM (last edit: 2/8/2009 1:00:42 AM)
show user profile  Stianbl
@matty: ahh, stupid me ^^

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2/8/2009 2:05:38 AM (last edit: 2/8/2009 2:05:38 AM)
show user profile  Phalse
Sounds like you disagree with me Matty.
You are probably right, or you are right at the moment.

I still think Animation has been held back by cpu resources. Both types of movies take large pools of talent. It just takes that much more work for CGI artists to add the imperfections and details that make the output look unique like Caroline does. Faster computers will close this gap a lot, freeing up people to spend time on the secondary animations that add life to the film.

I thought we all knew Caroline was stop motion, the 3D means "with the new 3D glasses" that directors think will distract moronic mass audiences from their screw ups, and matty wanted to quit cg because of it.

Jk, I knew matty was jk about quitting CG.

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2/8/2009 2:30:57 AM (last edit: 2/8/2009 3:36:25 AM)
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