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Consultancy fees
show user profile  zeefusion
I am setting myself up as a consultant alongside being a 3d designer. As a freelance 3d designer part time i charge x amount per hour. I feel the amount is adequate because i only do it part time. I now want to offer a consultancy fee. I don’t think per hour would be right because the consultation might only be 15 minutes.

So I thought I would charge an initial fee of my hourly rate x2 hours. Then if the consultation runs over 2 hours I would then charge my hourly rate. I feel most consultations would be resolved within 2 hours.

Do you think that is too low? Would you charge triple your hourly rate as an initial fee? Or would you calculate it completely differently.

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6/19/2011 7:27:19 PM (last edit: 6/19/2011 7:27:19 PM)
show user profile  LionDebt
So you initially charge them Hourly Rate x2 as a straight up 'pay now' get consultancy thing? What if the consultancy only lasts 15 minutes?

My mums a private GP and they get away with doing pay per 15 minute consultancies. Mind you, being a doctor is sort of different to being a 3d consultant :p.

I don't see what's wrong with having a per 15 minute charge, maybe at 2x your hourly rate. Eg, you charge £10 per hour, and then £5 for each 15 minutes of consultancy. Certainly seems more fair than charging someone 3x your hourly rate, and they only make constructive use out of 20 minutes worth of consultation.

I really don't know though :D
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6/19/2011 7:35:55 PM (last edit: 6/19/2011 7:35:55 PM)
show user profile  zeefusion
Yeah its the old time against experience thing. I think if some one came to me with a question my answer is worth x amount because i have experience.

Yes some one might offer it cheaper but then they might give the wrong answer.

I just wondered how others would change a consultancy fee. For example if some one asks "how do i render glass in vray" and i email them back with an answer that took 5 minutes to write. I am charging them for my knowledge and experience not the 5 minutes.
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6/19/2011 7:40:26 PM (last edit: 6/19/2011 7:40:26 PM)
show user profile  Mr_Stabby
unless im actually doing r&d to consult somebody id feel cheap asking for anything for it. then again i come from a hyper liberal/socialist country with free everything so what do i know...

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6/19/2011 9:38:04 PM (last edit: 6/19/2011 9:38:04 PM)
show user profile  killerbee2
it's a bit like that story of Picasso drawing a picture for a lady in 5 minutes and asks 15000francs for it. The lady says "but it took you only 5 minutes" and Picasso answers "no lady, it took me a lifetime"

So depending on what you're consulting on, on what level and your experience you can charge X-amount. If it's just like your example where you advice people on technique, I wouldnt call it consulting in the first place. For something like that it's more like tutoring or helpdesk.

Consultancy is more on a strategic level like let's say a client comes up to you with a product he wants to showcase, then you can advise on a couple of things f.e.

- technique to be used based on what would be best cost-efficient versus quality & time
- what workflow to setup or advise specific production houses
- advise on storyboard based on research of his product keeping his brandvalues intact

Usually fees for this are based on a percentage of the total budget, not hourly rates.
If asked for rates this is very dependant on your experience.

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6/19/2011 10:52:22 PM (last edit: 6/19/2011 10:52:22 PM)
show user profile  advance-software
& a little bit of free consultancy doesn't hurt to get your foot in the door.
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6/19/2011 10:54:10 PM (last edit: 6/19/2011 10:54:10 PM)
show user profile  killerbee2
but that only goes for the people who actually know the value of it, right AS ? *wink*

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6/19/2011 10:59:04 PM (last edit: 6/19/2011 10:59:04 PM)
show user profile  advance-software
huh ?
I can't afford you mate if that's what you mean.
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6/19/2011 11:11:06 PM (last edit: 6/19/2011 11:18:46 PM)
show user profile  killerbee2
just joking AS, you allready had quite a share of free advice from this forum but we never got cake in return but that's OK, we love charity.

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6/19/2011 11:27:12 PM (last edit: 6/19/2011 11:27:12 PM)
show user profile  advance-software
yeah - like I never put anything back.

you're not my target profile at the moment anyway.

I'll be needing an expert low poly modeller & concept artist not a high end specialist.

you're not joking, you're just being Tom. I'm used to it.

edit: let's not. on my current budget of f-all we wouldn't get very far anyway. and in any case got some technical stuff (bugs in dx11 driver) to sort out before we can ramp up on the creative side. sorry to derail your thread zee. kb wanted to throw a strop.

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6/19/2011 11:31:39 PM (last edit: 6/19/2011 11:41:43 PM)
show user profile  killerbee2
no you actually need more then that to get your product in the market.
But let's not start that discussion again.

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6/19/2011 11:38:54 PM (last edit: 6/19/2011 11:38:54 PM)
show user profile  Error404
I've usually done day rate for consulting. At the very least, twice my normal hourly rate times 8-10 hours. And if only two hours or less is asked of me up front, then i quote a 1/2 day rate. If a day rate is agreed upon upfront and it ends up that I'm only needed for 1 hour, then the full day rate payment is still required as agreed upon.

Make your consulting rate quite a bit more than your normal working rate, at least 2 or 3 times what you would ask for 8-10 hours at your regular working rate. -

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6/20/2011 8:57:17 PM (last edit: 6/20/2011 9:11:04 PM)
show user profile  zeefusion
8-10 hours? that seems a lot. But thanks for the help :)

I was thinking 3 x hourly rate up front and then if further work is required after 3 hours of consultation then its done hourly.

so even if its takes 15 minutes its still going to cost them 3 x hourly rate.

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6/20/2011 9:20:23 PM (last edit: 6/20/2011 9:20:23 PM)
show user profile  Error404
well, a day rate implys that you are giving a rate for an entire day of work. which for me is usually 8-10 hours at a minimum. :-) -

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6/21/2011 2:23:39 AM (last edit: 6/22/2011 12:11:52 AM)
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