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Computer Requirements for rendering?
show user profile  nymphett
Hi guys,
Two of my friends helped pick out an ultimate computer for me to work on (especially for image & video rendering on 3Ds Max). Each of them tells me theirs is better, & I personally don’t know which to choose. Since it’ll cost me an arm & a leg, I can’t make the decision by buying the wrong one. Please help. Should I buy version A or B?? or neither??

Any tips are appreciated <3

Version (A):
CPU: Intel Core i7-970
Ram: Buy 2 of them to get 12 GB - 6GB x 2 Corsair Dominator 6 GB
Motherboard: EVGA X58 Classified3 Motherboard
GPU video card: Buy 3 of them for extreme video rendering performance EVGA GeForce GTX 580 Superclocked
Hard disk drive: OCZ Technology 120 GB Vertex 2
External HDD: Western Digital 2 TB Caviar Black
Power supply minimum 1200 Watts

Version (B):
Chassis
ICON2 - Black Anodized
Chassis Logo Insert
White Light
Chassis Fan Kit
Performance Fan Pack
Power Supply
1200 Watt Modular
Motherboard
Rampage III Extreme
Processor
Core i7 Extreme 980X 3.33GHz
Processor Cooler
Mach V Liquid Cooling
Processor Overclock
No Processor Overclock
Memory
12GB (6x2GB) 1600MHz DDR3
Video Card
Quadro FX 4000 (2GB)
Video Card 2
Quadro FX 4000 (2GB)
Video Card 3
Quadro FX 4000 (2GB)
Sound Card
On-Board Audio
Networking
On-Board Ethernet
Hard Drive
500GB - 7200RPM - 3GB/s
64-Bit Operating System
Windows 7 Professional

*I'm looking for a really good computer, that can render without giving me a hard time.

Thanks


EDIT:

Thanks for the fast replies! Based on the replies I got,this is what I came up with: Tell me what you think:

CPU: Intel Core i7 980X Extreme Edition 3.33GHz 12 MB
Graphic Card: PNY nVidia Quadro VCQ 5000 Professional Graphics Card VCQ5000-PB
RAM: 2 X Corsair Dominator 12 GB 1600 MHz PC3-12800 240-Pin DDR3 Memory Kit CMP12GX3M3A1600C9
Motherboard: EVGA X58 Classified3
Hard disk drive: OCZ Technology 120 GB Vertex 2
External HDD: Western Digital 2 TB Caviar Black


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2/3/2011 5:17:18 PM (last edit: 2/3/2011 9:40:27 PM)
show user profile  Dr. Jim
You'll get replies.

Since rendering only cares about CPU and RAM....and they both have the same amount of RAM, then the extreme would be the better bet.
GFX cards,....HD...etc..etc.....have nothing to do with rendering. (*note: if using GPU based solutions like VratRTGPU or Iray,....then cuda power will matter.....but otherwise no).

Keep in mind that the computer is only 1/2 of the equation for rendering speed. The other is you and your scenes.


EDIT: btw - Your friends know nothing about rendering requirements.
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2/3/2011 5:34:51 PM (last edit: 2/3/2011 5:55:10 PM)
show user profile  BishBashRoss
Also. The first machine looks to be much cheaper but only slightly slower. You could maybe get 2 of the first machine for the same price as the second and the two machines would be considerably faster for rendering.





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2/3/2011 5:37:59 PM (last edit: 2/3/2011 5:37:59 PM)
show user profile  horizon
Yeah, unless using gpu renderer (make sure) you'll be very disappointed when you relize your 3 video cards make no difference on rendering :P


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2/3/2011 5:39:40 PM (last edit: 2/3/2011 5:39:40 PM)
show user profile  Handelo
Those specs won't cost you an arm and a leg, they'll cost you your house! O.O
The things that make a good rendering system, like Jim said, are CPU and RAM. I'd go with the better processor and higher-frequency memory for that.

Here's the breakdown of the most expensive components in a computer and what they each do, so you can decide for yourself:

The stronger the CPU you have - the faster your rendering and various simulation speeds will be.

The more RAM you have - the more objects and the more complex objects and simulations you can have in your scene (without max crashing like we all know it loves to do). I'm not sure how much it affects rendering speed, but it's less of a factor than the CPU for sure.

The better your graphics card - the better and faster your view-port display and real time rendering (like VrayRT) will work. Doesn't affect normal rendering at all. Having 3 of the top cards is clearly overkill here.

Power supply - basically, the more components you have in your computer, the higher your power supply will have to be. If you're going for a single top graphics card, for example, instead of a triplet, you can crank this down to around 700W, noticeably reducing costs.

Of course, if you can spare the 4000$, disregard my economic advice :D
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2/3/2011 5:49:49 PM (last edit: 2/3/2011 5:49:49 PM)
show user profile  Mr_Stabby
why bother with such puny processors, 4xX7460=24 @ 2.66ghz cores is where its at

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2/3/2011 6:07:54 PM (last edit: 2/3/2011 6:08:25 PM)
show user profile  advance-software
@drjim - vray-rt uses opencl, not cuda, but you're basically correct.

See tail end of this thread to prevent need to copy & paste :
http://maxforums.org/threads/460_gtx_or_hd5870/0002.aspx

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2/3/2011 6:08:56 PM (last edit: 2/3/2011 6:08:56 PM)
show user profile  nymphett
Thanks for the fast replies! Based on the replies I got,this is what I came up with: Tell me what you think:

CPU: Intel Core i7 980X Extreme Edition 3.33GHz 12 MB
Graphic Card: PNY nVidia Quadro VCQ 5000 Professional Graphics Card VCQ5000-PB
RAM: 2 X Corsair Dominator 12 GB 1600 MHz PC3-12800 240-Pin DDR3 Memory Kit CMP12GX3M3A1600C9
Motherboard: EVGA X58 Classified3
Hard disk drive: OCZ Technology 120 GB Vertex 2
External HDD: Western Digital 2 TB Caviar Black


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2/3/2011 9:39:43 PM (last edit: 2/3/2011 9:39:43 PM)
show user profile  Dr. Jim
meh.

Do a dual Hex core system w/ 48gb ram. Dell has some nice options there.....
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2/4/2011 1:47:39 PM (last edit: 2/4/2011 1:47:39 PM)
show user profile  joelr
if i were spending this amout on a system i would definetly go for a ssd for my system drive.

and might i ask what kind of work do you do on these kind of monster systems?



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2/4/2011 2:59:44 PM (last edit: 2/4/2011 3:01:12 PM)
show user profile  Dr. Jim
I would have to kind of wonder myself.

No offense OP....but your lack of knowledge on what is needed for rendering,...how it works...etc.....makes me wonder what you might even need a system like this for?

That is what I meant by the other half of the equation being you and your work?

If you are a noob learning hobbyist who has a 8 year old systenm with 1gb of ram and having trouble doing basic stuff........then you do not remotely need anything like these systems. To see a huge increase for you.....could be a simple new $600 current system.

If you are working in epic scenes, hi poly, complex materials...etc...etc.....then you wouldn't be here asking this basic of a question.

One final point: SO you're 79 years old huh? :-\
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2/4/2011 3:12:10 PM (last edit: 2/4/2011 3:12:10 PM)
show user profile  nymphett
To Dr.Jim,
I don't know much about computers, that's why I'm here in the first place! I got a nice laptop for graphic designers ( less than a year ago ), it worked fine, but the rendering took ages to finish.
I'm starting my senior project soon & wanted to be ready with a system that works. Last time I had to buy rendering services online, which costed me alot, & for nothing. This isn't a hobby. It's what I'll be doing for a long time!
& no, I'm not 79 years old :P
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2/4/2011 5:09:15 PM (last edit: 2/4/2011 5:09:15 PM)
show user profile  Mr_Stabby
on a serious note tho, if rendering performance is all u care about you can get around 50% more rendering juice for the same price if u swap to a 61xx series 12 core opteron

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2/4/2011 6:16:54 PM (last edit: 2/4/2011 6:16:54 PM)
show user profile  Dr. Jim
Good info.
I guess it really simply comes down to money then.
Most of us who make a living doing this are still constrained by the "best computer I can afford" mentality.
So if you can spend the equivalent of 5K+ USD for a system...then by all means do it.
And listen to everyones advice:
1) Best CPU....and the most cores possible. A dual 6-core is really prolly the fastest solution you can get in a reasonablyhigh priced system.
2) RAM!! The more the better.....12GB minimum
3) Video card is viewport only....so a high end Gforce card is more than enough....no need for a Quadro
4) HD speed or perhaps a HD RAID. This is only gonna help when the software is reading/writing data and or files. In MAX it isnt gonna do much,....if you were editing alot of video then it would come into play more. SSD is same deal,....only matters for I/O operations.

5) forget about the rest of the fancy schmancy overclocked, water cooled, LED case, blah...blah...

Youre not 79?.....Gee.....your profile says you are.....
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2/4/2011 6:17:16 PM (last edit: 2/4/2011 6:17:16 PM)
show user profile  advance-software
If we're going high end, get a bunch of these.

http://www.nvidia.com/object/product-tesla-S2050-us.html

4Tflop single precision each & connect to VRay-RT GPU for rendering.

Don't know if the two are compatible, so you might want to check with Chaos & nvidia.

@jim - your profile says you're a doctor. :P
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2/4/2011 6:29:52 PM (last edit: 2/4/2011 6:32:44 PM)
 
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