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CG Animator
show user profile  dry_erase
I work for a production company in London, doing corporate and commercial/ viral work. We are looking to hire an in-house 3D all-rounder... Modeler, Animator, etc. We ask that you are easy to work with, organised, hard-working, talented and have a passion for films... 25K per annum. We are a small, successful company and fun to work with.

If interested, please reply to this post with contact details and a link to your work. Thanks!

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1/25/2012 11:16:07 AM (last edit: 1/25/2012 11:16:07 AM)
show user profile  jareu
What is the name of your company?
What is your history?
What kind of service or product do you specialize in?
What kind of work can the artist expect?

25K a year is really not much of a pay, you'd get more then that as a waiter.
assuming the hours are about 9-5, 5 days a week, that works out at about 13 pound an hour. When I first started my business, before I was as confident in my abilities as I am now, I was charging around 17 pound an hour.

Not to insult, but at that pay you're either going to get some one straight out of high school with a very basic understanding of 3D and will make your company look amateurish and incompetent compared to your competitors, or you'll get some one good, who will quickly realize he can make a more respectful living doing something else.

He who says it cannot be done is interrupting the man doing it.

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1/25/2012 11:34:01 AM (last edit: 1/25/2012 11:34:01 AM)
show user profile  dry_erase
Hi Jareu - sorry you'd have an issue with us employing someone straight out of school, most wouldn't. In this economic environment one would think that a 25K salary wouldn't be sniffed at - that said you run a successful company, so perhaps at your high level you are out of touch.

Obviously you are so successful that you've got time to spend on maxforums rubbishing job offers.

Also, comparing a freelance rate to a full time job is stupid. As a freelancer you have no time to work on your own skills or try new things, no job security, no paid holiday and no relationship with your co-workers.

Please don't reply if you're not interested, or if you are a massive dick. Honestly, who gets pissy with someone posting a job on Maxforums? If it's not for you don't reply.

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1/25/2012 3:38:53 PM (last edit: 1/25/2012 3:38:53 PM)
show user profile  Kajico
This isn't the board for you. That was my starting salary doing simple tech support here in the states. I did everything in your job requirements for double that at entry level. You aren't looking for talent, you're looking for a slave. You're incredibly insulting to the professionals on this board. Good luck in your search, just remember, you get what you pay for.

(\/) (°,,,°) (\/) Woop woop woop!

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1/25/2012 3:44:59 PM (last edit: 1/25/2012 3:44:59 PM)
show user profile  Nik Clark
dry_erase, while I agree with "don't be a dick" as a general rule for the forum, you can not stop somebody posting their opinion here.

He is right, for London, that is pretty low pay.

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1/25/2012 3:53:15 PM (last edit: 1/25/2012 3:53:15 PM)
show user profile  dry_erase
Incredible economic imperialism from the American. 25K was my salary after a number of years work here in the industry. We'd all love to work in an industry where they pay US$75,000 as an entry level CG guy working on corporates, as your email indicates you did - when was this? I'd like to take the time to inflation adjust. Alas the streets of London are not the gold paved streets of the US.

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1/25/2012 3:57:29 PM (last edit: 1/25/2012 3:57:29 PM)
show user profile  rob@dynamic
where about in London are you?

3D Portfolio

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1/25/2012 3:58:13 PM (last edit: 1/25/2012 3:58:13 PM)
show user profile  marktsang
pay is far too low for london

you would get almost 25k in unskilled jobs - and cg is highly specialized and skilled

someone working on that salary would find it hard to enjoy life in london -
i know juniors straight out of college who are not even particulary good on more than that in london

you wont get many "good" applicants to this i think
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1/25/2012 4:01:24 PM (last edit: 1/25/2012 4:01:24 PM)
show user profile  Nik Clark
Actually you probably will get a few. There are a lot of out of work animators in the UK. My point was the since the cost of living in much London is so high, 25k won't be a massive salary.

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1/25/2012 4:02:48 PM (last edit: 1/25/2012 4:03:01 PM)
show user profile  marktsang
nick -
i said "good" applicants... desperate sure you'll get plenty - good i would doubt it... :)
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1/25/2012 4:03:51 PM (last edit: 1/25/2012 4:03:51 PM)
show user profile  dry_erase
Hi Nik. Thanks for agreeing that Jareu is a dick.

I'm not looking for a someone fresh off Avatar. 25K ain't the end of the world in an industry that typically turns out 10 times more graduates than there are jobs available. Entry level is fine. Get real people.

And I would pay double for a slave.
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1/25/2012 4:05:44 PM (last edit: 1/25/2012 4:05:44 PM)
show user profile  marktsang
sorry i read your post a bit wrong -
so you are looking for enty level?

tbh for fresh from college a full time job on about 25k ish isnt too awful - but living in london is damn expensive so it isnt great either.

dry_erase thanks for posting here anyway - if i see anyone looking that fits the bill ill let them know :)
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1/25/2012 4:10:19 PM (last edit: 1/25/2012 4:10:19 PM)
show user profile  dry_erase
Thanks Mark - I know a bunch of guys who are unavailable... Young guys who left college a couple of years ago and are on 23K actually. They fit the description above, and I reckon also consider themselves 'good'. They wouldn't class themselves as entry level, either - I imagine if one of them was out of work - as many people are - they would take me up on my 25K.

Additionally, I know that a great many experienced CG artists are currently out of work, and whilst this might be below what they would countenance, most would not be insulted by the notion that people are using a CG forum to offer a newly created job in a small production company. Our budgets do not facilitate higher wages.

I have neither ruled in or out entry level CG artists specifically because this is an open offer.

I'd like to remind people that youth unemployment is at running at a 30 year high in the UK, and that 25K is above the average UK graduate salary and London average.

Jokes aside, I am disgusted that people would take time to come on to a forum and actively discourage people from making a valid job offer by pouring scorn on them, thus probably discouraging others from doing likewise.
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1/25/2012 4:22:31 PM (last edit: 1/25/2012 4:22:31 PM)
show user profile  Kajico
Considering your attitude I'm not sure what kind of person would want to work for a company that hired you as a recruiter. Maybe someone who enjoys being insulted for stating an opinion. As a recruiter you should be able to answer always in a professional manner.   jareu brought up valid points. Instead of addressing them in courteous manner you call him a dick. Thank you also for judging me based on my nationality. I'm sure it's the best way to judge a person. Let's hope you only get white pure bred Englishmen in your applications.

(\/) (°,,,°) (\/) Woop woop woop!

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1/25/2012 4:25:44 PM (last edit: 1/25/2012 4:25:44 PM)
show user profile  Kajico
Jokes aside, I am disgusted that people would take time to come on to a forum and actively discourage people from making a valid job offer by pouring scorn on them, thus probably discouraging others from doing likewise.

Yes how horrible that people ask questions and comment on pay. I've seen fellow artists get taken advantage of by companies who state they offer competitive wages. Your talk about people working for less due to the economy just screams "hey lets take advantage of those with out work by making them do the same work for less". I'm not talking about Americans here I'm talking about people I know globally. The least you can say in rebuttle is there's room for growth and increased salaries. At least make it sound like you care.

(\/) (°,,,°) (\/) Woop woop woop!

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1/25/2012 4:32:34 PM (last edit: 1/25/2012 4:32:34 PM)
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