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Canon 1DX II vs Sony Alpha 7R II...
show user profile  Bolteon
So I've got a small lump of money to blow on new toys. I haven't had a professional DSLR in a long while but I really miss having a high end camera at my disposal.


I'm looking at the new Sony and Canon offerings. Not really interested in a Nikon (the only reason why I'm even considering the Sony is cause I was very impressed with the R1Xr that Dub had while we worked on some Sony stuff a couple years ago).

Several things weigh in for the Sony, mainly half the price, internal Optical Stablization, dynamic range and sensor MP/output.

Several things weigh in for the Canon as well, mainly the speed. It's a beast of a camera.


We're at a point in cameras where there are adapters for everything and being that the Sony has stabilization built in; you can use older glass (read: cheaper) with it and still get the benefits.

I'll be using the camera for a decent amount of stuff but mainly photography with the occasional video and HDR work. I would expect to keep this camera for 5-6 years or so.


I'd be interested in hearing from our photogs on here. Suggestions welcome as always.



Sony
http://www.dpreview.com/reviews/sony-alpha-7r-ii


Canon
http://www.dpreview.com/news/2291500142/canon-announces-flagship-eos-1d-x-mark-ii-full-frame-digital-slr


-Marko Mandaric



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2/5/2016 8:07:34 PM (last edit: 2/5/2016 8:49:56 PM)
show user profile  joelr
I would say that if you are not a professional photographer, stay away from the pro 1 series.
They are extremely heavy, and I see that from what you wrote about your needs, that you will not get any benefit from the 1 series, which is mainly ultra high speed, rougedness and ultra high Iso performance.
If I were you I would consider the Sony, or buy a 5d iii. If you have patience, the mark 4 is supposed to come out till the end of the year.
Of course, choosing a system has meny more factors, like what items you already have, the strength of each system, the amount of accessories and lenses that they have(canon has a lot more to offer, Sony have only a few lenses and zooms that are an option, or you can get zeiss lenses for Sony but I think that they are only manual focus).
I guess you know all these matters.
You need to give more info about your photo work and gear for me to give you better help

Joel



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2/5/2016 8:36:13 PM (last edit: 2/5/2016 8:36:13 PM)
show user profile  chillywilson
I love my a7 series.

The only question I would as your self is, will you be shoot wedding/events, if so a mirror might be better because the battery life on the a7's aren't good for that and the auto focus can be slow shooting sports.

I use the sony with a meta adapter with nikon glass, but cannon glass is better for this, I just have nikon lens form moving off that set.

The sony master G lenses will be out soon and they look hot as Fuck http://www.sony.com/electronics/g-master-lenses


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2/5/2016 8:41:02 PM (last edit: 2/5/2016 8:41:02 PM)
show user profile  Bolteon
I currently literally have 0 gear (sold off all my canon stuff last year).


Personally, while I would never do photography in a professional sense (I make very good money working in VFX); I relish in the time and effort it takes to produce beauitful imagery.

With 16 years of experience making pretty pictures, photography to me is a step down in complexity from VFX but a whole new kind of difficulty and I'm really eager to get much deeper with it.


The highspeed of the 1DX II is really the strongest point of the camera. The battery life being so extended vs the Alpha is nice but if you're in the position to be shooting hundreds of photos; you likely have enough equipment with you that you'll have extra battery packs at a quick disposal.

To the point about a 5D MkIII, I'd say I'd almost consider it but in my opinion; if you're going to do something, do it right.

-Marko Mandaric



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2/5/2016 8:58:38 PM (last edit: 2/5/2016 8:59:13 PM)
show user profile  chillywilson
Well it sounds like the 4k sLog footage might be wanted if you play around in VFX, I would think about that because you kill kick yourself for not getting it.

Also if your just looking for the prettiest, the A7rii is my go to for the best image I love it way more then the Mark3

I wouldn't sell taking a photo as less complex, I use to think the same way coming from a compositing and rending background but quickly fell real short and had to rely on post for the first 3 years of shooting to save my ass. It's a different discipline that has different set of rules.



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2/5/2016 9:16:40 PM (last edit: 2/5/2016 9:16:40 PM)
show user profile  Error404
>> To the point about a 5D MkIII, I'd say I'd almost consider it but in my opinion; if you're going to do something, do it right.



I used to run with the 1-series Canon cameras, but I'm now using a smaller used 5dMk2. I won't be getting another camera anytime soon.

In the end though, make sure the camera and lenses fit what you need to shoot. I can't imagine many things that would require something other than a 5D, at least nothing that I'd be shooting. I don't shoot video at all, so I have no opinions or advice on that.



And don't sell your lenses and gear this time. sheesh. :-P I'm still using my lenses that I originaly purchased 10-15 years ago :D

www.DanielBuck.net - www.DNSFail.com

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2/5/2016 11:30:03 PM (last edit: 2/6/2016 5:31:59 AM)
show user profile  joelr
Bolt have you carried a 1 series camera and lens for a day? If you will I think you would think twice about it. With a nice 2.8 zoom you are carrying around 4kg all day.
Really- if you aren't shooting in the snow or mud all day or need to shoot thousands of photos each month I personally wouldn't go this way.
If you are concerned about image quality save the 4500$ difference between a 1dxii and a 5diii and get some amazing glass. You will get much better results. The image quality difference between both cameras is neglejable imho.

Also, if you want superb image quality, why not look at the Canon 5DsR? It's supposed to be the ultimate studio camera, can't see the 1dxii having better image quality because of the huge sensor which the 1 series can't have.

It's a tough decision I think. If you are going to travel a lot with the camera and Carry it around a lot, you will love the Sony. If you want a good compromise between size and image quality go on a full frame canon 5 series. Only go to the pro 1 series if you really really need these demanding conditions.

Joel



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2/6/2016 1:10:26 AM (last edit: 2/6/2016 1:10:26 AM)
show user profile  joelr
Especially for you bolt:
http://youtu.be/PCLAAa_WHq0



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2/6/2016 1:14:36 AM (last edit: 2/6/2016 1:15:33 AM)
show user profile  Bolteon
...I think this should obviously be my first lens purchase.

http://petapixel.com/2014/10/13/ultra-rare-nikon-13mm-f5-6-holy-grail-lens-shows-ebay/


-Marko Mandaric



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2/6/2016 8:45:58 AM (last edit: 2/6/2016 8:45:58 AM)
show user profile  nemac
usage: photography, occasional video and HDR work.
What type of photography? Do you need the high fps for sport or something? 1DXII is a specialised tool and I imagine an arse to carry around for general photography @ 1.5kg + lens. Point to the Sony for general use, portability but you didn't state this in your criteria. Video / hdr = tie? Canons meant to have massive bitrate and also magic lantern.

dynamic range.
I reckon sensor tech is getting pretty leveled out these days across camera offerings, it would be hard to be disappointed with any of the latest cams. Even the difference between FF and APSc is not as big as it once was, with smaller sensors like M43 even offering some advantages, objectively.

no Nikon.
Why? The D750s looking pretty good. Better, newer camera and $500 cheaper than new 5d3. (B&H)

IBIS. can use cheaper old glass.
I like the idea of IBIS design wise, and if theoretically it would save us money since stabilised lenses always cost alot more. But im not sure if that is really the case, eg sony 70-200/2,8 is 3k, canikon 70-200/2.8s with OS are 2k. For old lenses though it would be great but are you really gonna buy old lenses or new tech that will have been optimised for the camera and sensor, with newer AF etc..?

high MP.
Do you plan to do much printing? High MP is a blessing and a curse, think file management, lens weaknesses showing up. An advantage over the canon for cropping but canon probably better low light performance with bigger photosites (assuming). MPs not everything. Saw an interesting comparison between aps-c Fuji x-t1 an A7R in it's crop mode. http://alikgriffin.com/fuji-x-t1-vs-sony-a7r-pixel-pixel-showdown

fps
7DII or D500, 10fps, would be good value plus higher pixel density, crop better and use best part of FF glass, for action photography. I mean, you can get a 7DII, 70-200/2.8II, and a printer for $3.5k lol.

1DXII is poor value, you can build a whole wedding kit for that much (see below). Even if money is no object I'd go with the Sony over the Canon unless you need a specific tool for a specific job. But I'd go with the D750 probs.

Just for fun, 1DXII for 6k or...
2 x D7200s, grips, dual cards, dual batteries, peak design straps
Rokinon 8mm fisheye
Tamron 15-30/2.8
Tamron 35/1.8
Nikon 85/1.8
Tokina 100/2.8 macro
Tamron 70-200/2.8
and a big ol' watertight pelican case for it all.
--------
$7k

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2/6/2016 1:25:59 PM (last edit: 2/6/2016 3:01:29 PM)
show user profile  soontekk
I love my 5DmkIII and am packed to the teeth with Canon glass and gear.
Slowly they have started to annoy me while they are obviously lacking to adopt new technologies and providing them to their (pro) user base. They are holding it back trying to sell different types of camera's to the same photographer. 5d3 5ds 5dr and soon a downtuned 5d4... ?
Canon, i am not 'buying' that crap anymore ..

Since i saw what Sony is up to i have decided to slowly move to Sony with their a6300 soon and maybe a7rmk2 this summer or sooner.

Nikon is a love/hate thing, in my case it isn't hate but far from love as well.

Bottom line.. Sony!

melting ur brainz!
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2/12/2016 9:05:38 AM (last edit: 2/12/2016 9:05:38 AM)
show user profile  soontekk
Btw, does anyone know if i can use my canon glass on the a7r2 ?

melting ur brainz!
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2/12/2016 12:02:33 PM (last edit: 2/12/2016 12:02:33 PM)
show user profile  Dr. Jim
Kurt - I think Metabones make make a speedbooster adapter that will allow you to run your canon glass on a sony.
Youll also get stepless stop control.....

I bought a GH4 and a booster and some canon glass. The booster was really cool. Turned all my 2.8 lenses into 1.8 .Ended up sending it all back because I hated the GH4 after 1 day. Then went with a C100 because I didnt care about still photos anyway :)
(and had to rebuy the glass)


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2/12/2016 1:10:21 PM (last edit: 2/12/2016 1:11:47 PM)
show user profile  soontekk
Sounds good Doc. Use of my current glass would mean i get is 'way' sooner :)

GH4 is a widely loved camera for filming, why did you hate it ?
I'm still on the lookout for a decent 4K filming toy that can do at least 120fps at 1080p, if you know of such a thing.

edit: seems the metabones rocks but doesn't work with my 70-200 IS II :o http://briansmith.com/canon-ef-to-sony-e-mount-smart-adapter-compatibility-guide/

melting ur brainz!
/ FOS4 / FO2 / Blurb / Twitter / Facebook / Vimeo /


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2/12/2016 1:53:28 PM (last edit: 2/12/2016 2:04:59 PM)
show user profile  chillywilson
yeah a metabones or a photodiox adapter depending on the glass.

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2/12/2016 2:04:53 PM (last edit: 2/12/2016 2:04:53 PM)
 
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