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Analogue Is Even Better
show user profile  Tozzy
Swapped the Sony HDR SR35E for a Sony HDR SR5E (had no choice because the shop wouldn't give me a refund) and was wondering if someone could tell me what I'm supposed to do when the Hard drive is full. I know it sounds like a very noobish question, but I'm just curious to see what options I have. Spent six hours and still can't do any editing on it.
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4/25/2008 12:50:11 PM (last edit: 4/25/2008 12:50:11 PM)
show user profile  Dmaxer
has it got a firewire port ? if so use a program like adobe prem pro and download and edit your video using that :)


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4/25/2008 12:52:51 PM (last edit: 4/25/2008 12:52:51 PM)
show user profile  Tozzy
Hi DMaxer,

It has a USB connection, but the problem is, when the HDD is full, I would have to either delete my videos or transfer to my PC which would mean I would no longer be able to watch them on my TV as they would no longer be on my camcorder. It's ridiculous; I always thought that if it had a HDD that you could put the videos back and put 'none-camcorder recorded videos' on too (provided that the video codec was the same as the camcorder decompressor). I keep thinking I am missing something, but I've read all the instructions and have tried the obvious, but it doesn''t seem to be an option. The supplied software is awful too. I can't transfer videos to a memory card because it says only JPGs can be transferred. It says that ONLY HiDef video can be put back on to the hard drive, but not standard def!! What on Earth were Sony thinking of?? I'm definitely never buying a Sony product again, and that includes PS3.

Are all camcorders like this? This is the second problematic Sony camcorder now, twice in one month.
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4/25/2008 3:29:24 PM (last edit: 4/25/2008 3:31:49 PM)
show user profile  [P]aradox
What the heck did you buy a camcorder for if you want to use it for putting video from your PC onto your TV? Seriously... it's a camcorder. You record video with it. THAT'S ALL IT DOES. When the hard drive is full, of course you put it on your computer, where else? If you wanted tapes, you should've bought a tape-based camcorder.

The hard drive and file structure is designed to handle one kind of video codec and one alone. AVCHD. You can't put video on the memory card (MicroSD, I'm assuming) because it can't handle the bitrate.
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4/25/2008 3:52:23 PM (last edit: 4/25/2008 3:52:23 PM)
show user profile  Tozzy
"What the heck did you buy a camcorder for if you want to use it for putting video from your PC onto your TV? "

Why on earth would I not want to record video, put it on my pc, edit it and then watch it back on my TV again? It's a simple enough privilege, but it doesn't offer this support.

"If you wanted tapes, you should've bought a tape-based camcorder."

Quality ain't good enough.

"The hard drive and file structure is designed to handle one kind of video codec and one alone. AVCHD. "

lol they bring out a codec that hardly any program understands!

Are you trying to tell me that that you would want your video on PC forever?

It's not just as simple as putting it on your pc, you've gotta mess about deinterlacing and reencoding to buggy filetypes and managing bitrate settings. That's what digital is all about and it sucks.

How on Earth would an inexperienced person go about doing this?!

Surely someone understands what I'm saying here.
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4/25/2008 4:12:04 PM (last edit: 4/25/2008 4:17:07 PM)
show user profile  [P]aradox
>Quality ain't good enough.

I suggest you actually try to learn the first thing about camcorders before complaining about them. This comment alone tells me you don't have a clue what you're doing. My tape-based camcorder encoding to HDV does better quality than yours. It's all about bitrate, dude.

And no, I don't want my video on my PC forever - that's why they invented the internet and DVDs.
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4/25/2008 4:26:25 PM (last edit: 4/25/2008 4:26:25 PM)
show user profile  Tozzy
"My tape-based camcorder encoding to HDV does better quality than yours."

I thought you were talking about 8mm/Hi8.

"It's all about bitrate, dude."

I know this already. The higher the bitrate, the better the quality, but the slower the performance. I wouldn't have bought a camcorder if I didn't know how to use one. All I'm saying is that it doesn't offer me any options to do what I want it to do, only what the software wants me to do. Get me?

"My tape-based camcorder encoding to HDV does better quality than yours."

What? You obviously have no clue, cause mine does full 1080i HD.

"And no, I don't want my video on my PC forever - that's why they invented the internet and DVDs."

Try sending a whopping 2GB MPEG over the internet. How can I put it on DVD when I don't have a DVD writer and I didn't even know I needed one! I wanted to stash them on an external drive. Did I forget to mention that you have to have a blu-ray compatible device to play back the DVD with AVCHD??
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4/25/2008 4:38:19 PM (last edit: 4/25/2008 4:43:57 PM)
show user profile  Tozzy
Well you obviously wouldn't know what to do if you were in my position, otherwise you'd help me.
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4/25/2008 5:17:55 PM (last edit: 4/25/2008 5:17:55 PM)
show user profile  timpa
I have never considered watching my content via the camcorder.

Record with camcorder.
Transfer to PC
Burn to DVD or watch using TV out.

Sorry champ, but your camcorder isnt meant to be used as a player.
Hard drives wear out over time.
And while it may be possible to plug it in to the tv and watch it, thats meant to be as a preview, or to show family videos after the birthday party.

Buy yourself a DVD burner or get a video card that supports TV out.

The purpose of your camera is to record, not edit and playback.


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4/25/2008 9:37:22 PM (last edit: 4/25/2008 9:37:22 PM)
show user profile  Pil
I some countries you cannot put video back onto the camcorder due to copyright issues. (yes it might sound stupid but there you go) There is a chip in the camcorder preventing this feature.

With the chip installed the shop is able to sell the camcorder at a lower price since they dont have to pay a "blank-tape" royalties to the copyright organization in your country.

So....

Its possible to remove the chip to regain the feature of transfering video back to the camcorder.

Also any statement about your camcorder is only meeant to record is stupid.
All camcorders these days have edit functions built into it for a reason.
Say you are on a travel and wanted to upload an edited clip for your video blog (or whatever) then you shoot the footage and edit it on the camcorder (its all digital after all) and save it as a new clip.
The upload that clip to your online video blog at some random internet cafe.

Remember just besause YOU dont need a certain feature doenst mean that SOMEONE else might not need it as well.




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4/26/2008 1:57:08 AM (last edit: 4/26/2008 2:00:40 AM)
show user profile  Tozzy
"I have never considered watching my content via the camcorder."

Well I have since it's the only way for me to watch the video on a tv as I don't have a DVD burner and why should I buy one just because 'I HAVE TO'? It's not fair. When I bought it, It didn't say on the box:

"You must have a DVD Burner otherwise this camcorder will be totally useless if you intend watching all of your videos back on a TV."

TV Out is pathetic because I'd have to move my bulky desktop PC downstairs to the TV everytime I'd want to watch a video!

"The purpose of your camera is to record, not edit and playback. "

Ah well, in that case, I will wait until 2020 when camcorders will hopefully have been improved.

I haven't got the time to mess about with DVD burners, deinterlacing and reencoding. I had an excellent workflow with my analogue:

Record footage to Archos >> Load the resulting AVI into Virtualdub >> Edit to my hearts content >> Save as a 'direct stream copy' >> Put back onto the Archos to watch through the TV. As simple as that!

"Remember just besause YOU dont need a certain feature doenst mean that SOMEONE else might not need it as well."

That's exactly the point I'm trying to get across :D

It doesn't matter anyway, I'll just take it back and pay $120 for a full refund.
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4/26/2008 8:09:09 AM (last edit: 4/26/2008 8:12:28 AM)
show user profile  twitt
"I haven't got the time to mess about with DVD burners, deinterlacing and reencoding. I had an excellent workflow with my analogue:

Record footage to Archos >> Load the resulting AVI into Virtualdub >> Edit to my hearts content >> Save as a 'direct stream copy' >> Put back onto the Archos to watch through the TV. As simple as that!
"



if you can edit your video with vdub from an interlaced analogue camcorder, why the hell cant you do it with a digital one and just transfer the video to your media playing archos?





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4/26/2008 8:31:41 AM (last edit: 4/26/2008 8:32:07 AM)
show user profile  Tozzy
"if you can edit your video with vdub from an interlaced analogue camcorder, why the hell cant you do it with a digital one and just transfer the video to your media playing archos?"

Because, the camcorder records into MPG. And yes I know I can use 'virtualdub MPEG', but you can't save as a direct stream copy. You have to reencode and it's not very user friendly. Some files don't play back properly, some crash halfway through, some don't play with video, only audio so I've had enough of it. The deinterlacing filter wasn't very good either because if you blend the fields, you still get a blurry effect, and even if you add an extra field, you can still see jaggies and looks like it's only been half deinterlaced.

Can't put it onto the archos because my model doesn't support resolutions higher than 320x240 so still no way of getting it onto the TV.

Would you believe that one of the newest camcorders by Sony (other Sony camcorders and other brands are better) can record only 15 progressive frames per second in the "Progressive Mode"? The NTSC version that is!! For the PAL version it's only 12.5 fps. Welcome to the future.

Original source:http://www.100fps.com/

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4/26/2008 8:40:31 AM (last edit: 4/26/2008 8:44:15 AM)
show user profile  tuna
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not worth the bother
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4/26/2008 8:47:02 AM (last edit: 4/26/2008 8:49:58 AM)
show user profile  [P]aradox
>"My tape-based camcorder encoding to HDV does better quality than yours."
>
>What? You obviously have no clue, cause mine does full 1080i HD.

So does mine, mate. So does mine. No, wait, scratch that. Mine does full 1080p HD.
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4/26/2008 9:20:09 AM (last edit: 4/26/2008 9:24:33 AM)
 
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