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3ds Max 9 second hand value
show user profile  davidk
Hi,

I have an original 3ds Max 9, that I paid in the region of £3500 for, about 2-3 years ago. I've really hardly used it and now have a new born baby to look after so am considering selling it.

Can anyone advise...

1 - On a good way to sell it. I have been looking at Ebay of course but they seem to never have full versions for sale. Does anyone know of a good forum for such sales? Maybe this one?

2 - What kind of value one can expect nowadays, for a 2nd hand version 9. I have registered it.. and the last time I looked I am entitled to a big discount on the upgrade to Max 2009. I would transfer the registration or whatever, so everything would of course be wholely legitimate.

It pains me to sell it as I worked for so long to get to the stage where I could buy it but baby comes first... so any advice most welcome.

I am based in the UK, London.

Regards
DK thanks..
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6/7/2010 2:41:45 PM (last edit: 6/7/2010 2:41:45 PM)
show user profile  advance-software
You're not going to like this, but you can't sell it.

Registered versions of 3dsmax cannot be transfered or sold to another party.

You'd have to take Autodesk to court & have this licensing restriction declared unfair under the unfair contract terms act to sell it. I don't fancy your chances.
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6/7/2010 3:06:44 PM (last edit: 6/7/2010 3:06:44 PM)
show user profile  Nik Clark
Sadly, he is right. It has no re-sale value. The license is normally not transferable. You could try contacting them to see if they will make an exception. AFAIK, only if a company is liquidated, will they readily transfer the license.





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6/7/2010 3:09:26 PM (last edit: 6/7/2010 3:09:26 PM)
show user profile  advance-software
> AFAIK, only if a company is liquidated, will they readily transfer the license.

Will they transfer commercial licenses when a company is liquidated, Nik ? I haven't heard this metioned previously. If so, this could be a route to picking up cheapo commercial licenses legitimately. Are you sure about this ?
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6/7/2010 3:14:44 PM (last edit: 6/7/2010 3:14:44 PM)
show user profile  Nik Clark
They told me this, but it was quite a few years ago, and may not be the case any more.

This was during the time when they tried to take me to court because I asked if I could purchase 10 copies in the US and use them here. I had legal letters, calls from lawyers, etc. It made me hate them quite intensely. I disagreed with the fact that it's more than a grand dearer in the UK than the US. In the end they told me that it costs that much more here "because the market will pay it". So, I haven't paid for max since (I get work to buy it for me instead).






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6/7/2010 3:24:19 PM (last edit: 6/7/2010 3:24:19 PM)
show user profile  advance-software
Legal docs & background here for the interested :

http://geodatapolicy.wordpress.com/2008/06/04/verner-v-autodesk-software-license-agreement-and-first-sale/

This is US action which has no bearing in the UK (different jurisdiction) and relates to unopened, unregistered software where the license terms had not been agreed to by anyone.

Your situation is different - you have agreed to the terms (by registering) even if you did not read them. You could challenge the terms as unfair. I do not know if anyone has previously tried this in the UK. You could try running the situation past a lawyer in a Citizens Advice Bureau or the Office Of Fair Trading to get a rough sense of the likely legal position in the UK. If you do this, please come back & tell us what they said.
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6/7/2010 3:31:30 PM (last edit: 6/7/2010 3:40:23 PM)
show user profile  davidk
Thanks for the messages guys... I'm in total shock! That'd be like me buying a car, registering it to myself, then never being able to sell it on, because I registered it to myself.

Whilst time isn't on my side I will speak to the UK citizens advice about this.. to say I feel completely cheated is an understatement. Buying software... from a reputable company, how many people really read the small-print looking for things such as "no resale". I expect the usual blurb, do not duplicate discs or pass on etc... but selling a legitimate copy... come on, what's wrong with that? It's a total con!

When I was thinking about buying it I always thought that if I didn't use it too much I'd sell it on sooner rather than later, while it'd still have some resale value. It's one of my freelancer assets as such. It went into my accounts.... but now has no re-sale value? Woah...I'm in shock!!!!

Could anyone point me to any legal info that says this? I wholeheartedly feel completely conned. I will contact Autodesk first.. if they don't give me a fair reason as to why I can't resell it I will go to CB. £3500 is too much to let go!

Thanks!
thanks..
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6/7/2010 5:27:37 PM (last edit: 6/7/2010 5:27:37 PM)
show user profile  advance-software
http://images.autodesk.com/apac_sapac_main/files/autodesk_3ds_max_9_eula.pdf


2.1 License Grant. Autodesk grants You a non-sublicensable, non-exclusive, non-transferable, limited license to use copies of the Software in the jurisdiction in which you acquire the Software, in accordance with the applicable User Documentation, within the scope of the License Parameters.


Emphasis - mine.
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6/7/2010 5:40:04 PM (last edit: 6/7/2010 5:41:40 PM)
show user profile  davidk
Update.. Just phoned Autodesk and they said I have to deactivate the license and then the sell-on purchaser can activate it legally.

I'm going to do some groundwork and get everything in place before I attempt to sell it, I'm guessing I may hit a few probs via Ebay, but will keep you updated.

If anyone does have any info on the deactivating of the software would be coolio.

This link was nice to see... http://www.citizen.org/litigation/forms/cases/getlinkforcase.cfm?cID=437
Good on you Verner, whoever you are! xx

Thanks
DK thanks..
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6/7/2010 5:41:43 PM (last edit: 6/7/2010 5:44:02 PM)
show user profile  davidk
>>>2.1 License Grant. Autodesk grants You a non-sublicensable, non-exclusive, non-transferable, limited license to use copies of the Software in the jurisdiction in which you acquire the Software, in accordance with the applicable User Documentation, within the scope of the License Parameters.

hmmm...... Well... I think I should call them again but the lady, an American lady, so I guess it wa Autodesk USA clearly said it was OK provided I deactivated it.

Thanks thanks..
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6/7/2010 5:43:08 PM (last edit: 6/7/2010 5:43:08 PM)
show user profile  Nik Clark
I am shocked.

Although the PLU (portable license utility) does mean that you can transfer the license easily from one machine to another.

Well, good luck, and congratulations on the baby.



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6/7/2010 5:43:46 PM (last edit: 6/7/2010 5:43:46 PM)
show user profile  advance-software
If Autodesk have changed their policy & will now allow you to sell on commercial licenses, this is new. Double check you were given correct information.

To deactivate, I guess you just uninstall it.

> the PLU (portable license utility) does mean that you can transfer the license easily from one machine to another.

... but not from one owner to another ?
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6/7/2010 5:44:37 PM (last edit: 6/7/2010 5:47:24 PM)
show user profile  davidk
cheers on the baby congratulations... it's funny.. for years all my time was spent in front of a computer.. the moment the baby pops out and now I hate being sat in front of my computer when I have a human being to bring into this world. hence bye bye 3ds Max.... as much as I loved you it's time for us to part ways and I look after my little baby girl!!! thanks..
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6/7/2010 5:47:11 PM (last edit: 6/7/2010 5:47:11 PM)
show user profile  chillywilson
Make sure the party that buys max doesn't have to pay for activation. Other wise they are
going to pay twice
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6/7/2010 7:51:45 PM (last edit: 6/7/2010 7:51:45 PM)
show user profile  9krausec
If you are looking to sell it I would be a prospective buyer. I need a commercial license to do work and to not be restricted by using the licenses other companies that hire me out have. Need a stand alone max license like a hooker needs to get rid of the herp. My email is 9krausec ATTTT gmail DOTTT com please send me any details/information on the product if you are successful in figuring out a correct way to manage the license legally.




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6/8/2010 5:25:19 AM (last edit: 6/8/2010 5:25:19 AM)
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